Looking for some advice here as I’m not very computer savvy and would greatly appreciate your advice regarding upgrading my current system.
Current System
I9 11900k
3070ti
Gigabyte z590 mobo
32gb RAM
I have 2 potential upgrade paths but not sure if it makes sense?
Upgrade 1:
Change 3070ti to 4080super hoping that MS24 will not be as CPU intensive
Upgrade 2:
I9 14900k with suitable mobo
4080super
The vendor who I am purchasing off is willing to use my existing parts to compensate for the cost for the overall upgrade with the second option, although not much it helps.
I would wait a little bit on the 14900 if you can. There is more and more reporting out that the 13900 and 14900 are suffering from unusual failures. I first heard about these a few months ago when Korean sellers were reporting a bunch of returns, now game companies are saying they’re seeing a lot of crashes on their end and on their own servers running these chips.
I am looking to upgrade in the near future, so I am watching the rumour mill avidly atm.
The issues around the 14900 would stop me even considering Intel atm. I very much believe that being greener begins with each individual. Even if Intel reigns in the power profiles, they are still hugely ahead of the competition with power draw at high end. More so when Ryzen 5 arrives.
Ryzen 5 is coming at the end of July (confirmed by AMD). This will affect pricing very soon after. Once the x3d series gets announced Ryzen 4 will drop off massively. X3d is rumoured to come in Q3 end - Q4.
The rumours around GPUs is that Nvidia is looking more and more likely to be offering as little as possible for as much as it can grab. This is because they have no competition. And more so, look likely to stay that way until at least mid 2025. This could be a long game con, where Nvidia is scaring punters with much higher pricing expectations, so they can offer a slight discount to garner profits. I am becoming more and more anti-Nvidia as time goes by.
If Intel doesn’t explain what’s going on and doesn’t make any corrections, I will be forced to switch to AMD processors after many years of using Intel.
I just purchased an AM5 CPU, motherboard, and DDR5 to replace my AM4 system. The time was right because I got the parts at a tremendous discount (Amazon Prime Day deals, and a $200 gift card for a new Amazon Visa card with 12 months / no interest on this first purchase.) It just made sense.
I held off replacing my 3090 Ti because I need more capable GPU’s to come down significantly in price. Whether nVidia comes to its senses (doubtful) or AMD starts a price/ performance war, I’m hopeful that today’s $1,000 GPUs will be next year’s $500 cards.
What’s crazy is that I would never even have considered the upgrade for any reason other than how hard this sim is on hardware. I’m typing this on a 7 year-old laptop. No reason to upgrade it except for the fact that Windows 10 updates are going away next year, and it can’t run Windows 11.
I recently paid $1,200 to replace an employee’s old laptop that was dying. I would have had to replace it next year for the same reason. I can hardly believe how capable the new one is for the price I paid.
Agree 110% as this sim will find whatever weakness(s) your PC/laptop has whether cpu, gpu, memory, heat dissipation, etc, etc and remind you daily your rig no matter how powerful it might be is not worthy!!!
Before Arrow Lake is launched I think quite a few of us need an adequate response from Intel (even a recall of some cpus?), a great deal of assurance that any issues have been resolved or have alternatively been massively overstated by some users or that reported issues are not down to the Intel CPUs. A reigning in of power which reduces system performance is not a solution either given the high cost of the cpus.
I completely agree with you. I can’t imagine buying their CPU without confirmation that they’ve either solved all the problems or identified the cause and will introduce corrections soon. If they don’t provide us with this information, I’ll be buying the upcoming AMD processor instead.
This is true but for me the issue is potentially one of credibilty and the level of support given to customers who have issues with these cpus.
Who is to say there won’t be different issues with the new architecture of the new cpus? Not necessarily a problem if you have faith that the issues will be put right down the way but definitely a problem if they won’t be put right and you have a PC system which is underperforming and otherwise crashing left, right and centre.
Not definitely saying by the way that the issues are down to the Intel cpus but at the moment I am definitely needing more clarification and viable solutions before I even think of buying a new Intel cpu whether a different architecture or not.
As to whether overclocking is the reason I honestly don’t know tbh. I am not sure that even Intel know yet. I have read about a number of possibilities but I think for the true causes and solutions we need to hear something firm from Intel.
I really hope that we hear something soon and with that a good way forward. Competition is good and this is why I am hoping for positive news from Intel in the near future.
To get more ‘on thread’ I would suggest waiting a bit for a response from Intel before upgrading to a 14900 cpu.
Regarding upgrading your GPU too there have been rumours that a new nvidia 5090 or even a new 5080 could surface in October. Maybe take this with a pinch of salt but it could be worth waiting a bit longer. Perhaps anyway
I would be cautious about a GPU-only upgrade. MSFS is still largely cpu-dependent, and even though they’ve said MSFS2024 will be threaded out more, I predict it will still be quite main-thread dependent.
The gpu-only upgrade only makes sense to me if you want native Frame Generation, or you presently run 4K (not well) and want to run 4K a little better.
If you’re building for MSFS primarily, I would look at the AMD x3D cpu’s, like the 7800X3D.
If you get a vidcard I’d go for the most vram one in your price category. I believe there is a 4070ti Super which has 16GB.
Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.
Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.
Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.
According to GN and Wendel the failure could be as high as 25-50%. So from that you can safely assure people that more than half are happy with their purchase. I won’t go down the line of blissfully unaware, but it should also be mentioned, as a lot could be having issues while not being aware of them.
From my perspective the important part is not how many are unhappy or blissfully content. The focus should be on the response from Intel. Until they responded by a single statement that said the mobile CPUs are not having the same issue as the desktop variants, there was no response at all. The empathy towards their customer base has been overwhelmingly absent. There has been no reaching out to customers to address, what is looking to be the worst failure rate of any CPU issue that I have seen or heard of. I am happy to be proven wrong on this point.
