H125 issues with torque simulation / dramatic yaw on touchdown / rotor inertia

ISSUE DESCRIPTION

In the H125 the torque simulation was never great but there seems to be a major issue with it in SU4. After starting a flight, the helicopter lifts off fine. Once established in a hover, setting the skids down causes a dramatic increase in rotor RPM (at times up to 450) and the VEMD going back to the 3 dial display for roughly 40 seconds. Once the rotor RPM falls back down to the normal operating range and enough time has passed, the VEMD returns to the normal FLI torque dial. The torque then sometimes oscillates between 5% and 25% with no collective input at all.

After allowing the indications to return to normal, upon lifting off again the torque indication seems to lag behind the actual collective input. I’m not a pilot so I don’t have first hand experience in the real helicopter, but this lag isn’t present in IRL cockpit videos.

On the second and subsequent touchdowns the helicopter yaws violently to the right, as if the right pedal requirement disappeared suddenly, sometimes causing an even more dramatic spike in RPM, sometimes close to none.

Edit: After investigating the issue further, I think it might be connected to another issue, where the rotor seemingly has infinite inertia. After engine shutdown the rotor takes about 5 minutes to get below 200 RPM, and then RPM stops decreasing altogether and the only way to stop the rotor is by applying rotor brake. Obviously this is unrealistic, it takes the real helicopter about a minute to a minute and a half to go from idle RPM to zero as can be verified from many videos on the internet.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

Every time

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Start a flight in the H125

  2. Lift the helicopter into a hover

  3. Set the helicopter down and observe the erratic behavior, as well as unexpected VEMD behavior

YOUR SETTINGS

The issue occurs without any modification installed.

The issue happens regardless of using developer mode or not.

MEDIA

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Do you use the Puma X Control? I encountered the same problem with the rig of a friend of mine and then we identified the pinky switch on the back side of the switch-box on the collective. This one has to stay in middle position. Interestingly it does not move the flight-idle-turn-handle in the sim but powers up the rotor like a rocket…

Nope, I use a simple Thrustmaster hotas and I only have cyclic, collective and pedals bound at all in the settings.

It seems the RPM part is not happening on the latest beta version but the yaw is still acting really weird, as if it’s disconnected from the main rotor torque.

Anti-torque requirement changes drastically between “light on skids” and low hover in ground effect. Sometimes it will disappear when transitioning to out of ground effect hover, allowing hover for a few seconds with no pedal input required.

I have no clue what’s causing this, but I feel like it stems from broader issues in the helicopter simulation.

I think Asobo addressed the weird drastic yaw when light on skids in version 1.6.18.0.

it’s not as extreme as before.

Seems like the same or very similar issue with the HPG H145 which was introduced with 1.6.7.0 and I had already reported here:

Related bug report in the dev forum:

https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/t/helicopter-rotor-rpm-shoots-up-to-150-on-landing-in-su4-beta/16912

It seems this might be caused by a bug with wake turbulence calculation: After disabling the “Wake Turbulence” option in the “Assistances” menu the issue seems gone.

I’m not able to reproduce this bug anymore, is that been fixed ?

Not fixed. Just had big trouble with it last night after the newest beta release…

Hi folks,

Thanks for the bug report. I’ve marked this topic now as bug-logged having read the conversations in the thread from the Dev Forums. Thanks to @d41k4n for posting!

The MSFS Community Team

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Continuing the discussion from Sim Update 4 Beta (1.6.29.0) Release Notes - November 21, 2025:

Did this fix have any effect for you guys? I am just checking it out with the H125 in the region of Grand Canyon and every landing on a slightly uneven surfaces catapults me back up in the air and the heli yaws heavily to the right. Reminds me of the helipad-issue we had in the early days…

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Do you have this option enabled ?. (not sure if the fix implemented in .29 relies on it):

I can confirm the issue still persists with 1.6.29.0 for me, too (tested with the HPG H145).

VRS protection and wake turbulence are both enabled.

If I disable wake turbulence the issue goes away.

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As far as I can see VRS-protection doesn’t have any effect on the issue but wake turbulence off does seem like a workaround. Hope that helps the devs to solve it. Thx for the hint :raising_hands:t3:

Hopefully this is the fix:
Continuing the discussion from Sim Update 4 Beta (1.6.31.0) Release Notes - November 28, 2025:

Nice to hear, I still hope they have a look on this one too, wich is equally annoying:

H125 unexpected behaviour when transitioning between hover and contact with one skid From april :sob:

It seems to be the same issue or do you see a difference ?

Hm yes It’s maybe the same, I thought it was 2 different issue, even on the dev forum they are talking about 2 issues but It’s is caused by the same thing (RPM increasing and yaw going crazy when you land really smoothly or with one skid)

I’ll give a try to this build tomorrow