Helicopters unflyable when hovering

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
when doing the Hovering training, as soon as the instructor stops controlling the stick to let me counter the lateral effect, the helicopter go nuts… Like doing violent swings, speeding up laterally or rocketing to the skies. All of this without touching the collective.

See video taken by other user @SofaJockey

It also happens in Free Flight, even when changing helicopter. If I’m not hovering and am flying higher, controls are reacting normally.

Control bindings were checked, and no any assistance was selected in the configuration.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:
Cabri and R66 at least, seems to apply to every helicopter

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
MSFS 2024 default installation with my add-ons
ported from 2020 which I cannot deactivate

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)? everytime

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Start training for helicopter
  2. Choose the hovering section
  3. Go through the training until the instructor removes the assistance on the stick (and it’s only with the stick, rudder pedal worked as expected with or without assistance)
  4. Helicopter goes nuts

YOUR SETTINGS

If the issue still occurs with no mods and add-ons, please continue to report your issue. If not, please move this post to the User Support Hub.

What peripherals are you using, if relevant:
Velocity Flightstick
PC 7950X3D and 4090
VR Quest 3

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
4090

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?

MEDIA

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I did the anti-torque training yesterday 12/3/24 and was able to regain yaw stability during “your controls” period using right pedal input.

I also have been flying the Cabri G2 in free flight successfully with physical pedals mapped to rotor axis. The Cabri G2 cannot be flown without pedals

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Hello, yaw works like a charm for me (and I have pedals). The issue seems to lay with the cyclic assistance, when turned off and hovering the helicopter starts behaving like crazy. Have you encountered any hard time flying with non-cyclic assitance during training?

Thanks

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I’ll give the cyclic training a try next.

You don’t see this issue in free flight, only in the training?

I have all the assistances turned off.

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I did the cyclic training lesson, and heard “recommend you get more cyclic and collective practice before moving on to the next lesson” with a stupid “B” rating 93% hover alt, 83% control your position, but only 40% “Make a soft landing” because it took two “out of control hover/landing” attempts before successfully putting it down controlled.

It seemed to require more cyclic input than I normally use, but putting the bird back on the helipad at the end of my flights is my biggest challenge, and I often “loose it” in confined landing situations or when I have to turn 90 onto the helipad from my hover taxi.

I completed the hovering flight lesson with

  • Maintaining alt: 68%
  • Keep position and heading: 59%
  • Hover Taxi: 62%
  • Make a soft landing: 55%
  • Total “B”

I had one “Lets start over with that” where I lost control sliding backward, then I did better the rest of the lesson.

The toughest is the transition from assisted to non-assisted. In normal flying there is never a situation where you aren’t already with the controls in the needed position. Even when I don’t have control in the lesson, I tend to be flying the cyclic and anti-torque as if I was and the bird does seem to be listening to my inputs, then he announces “I’m going to stop helping you” and there is a brief recovery moment where I have to find where the controls should have been. That is the toughest part of the lessons for me.