Hold short box moves at last second after landing

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
since the latest update the hold short box teleports at the last second on some runways. This causes point reduction due to “pilot deviation” in career mode while trying to turn back onto the runway.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:
not relevant

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
Xbox

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
upon landing at some airports in career

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Land
  2. Slow down aircraft
  3. Taxi to hold short

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:

I’ve landed on the runway. I can see the path to go to the Hold Short. I taxi to the Hold Short and when I get within a few feet, the Hold Short decides to change position. Usually to a location I would have to back the plane up or turn around to get to. If the taxiway is narrow, I get dinged for ‘Entering Taxiway Without Announcing’ because I can’t taxi backwards and I can’t turnaround on a dime. Manually making an announcement that I am taxiing to parking won’t stop the penalty either.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Since patch 1.2.8 it seems like 50% of the time.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Land on runway
  2. Taxi to Hold Short
  3. See if it changes to a new location
  4. If it does change, try to make an announcement that you are taxiing to parking

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No mods. Using C172S G1000 Cargo variant in Career Mode.

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This happend to me several times. Open the ATC window and announce taxi to parking. Problem solved

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Same as OP hold shorts are incredible annoying atm

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Not problem solved it clearly is bugged.
Can people please stop using workarounds as solutions I see dozens of workarounds being advertised as solutions they are NOT!!!

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Just my thought on how this happens:
Most airports in the sim have bad taxipaths that are not connected to runways or aprons.

For example: You land on runway and first taxipath to the right is used for holdshort box. Once you enter the box, the sim needs to find you a way to the parking apron.

Since the taxipath (you can use the dev mode and debug taxipaths to show them) is not connected to the parking apron, the sim needs to find another way for you to get there. So like in the video shown here, that’s back to the runway and taxi to the next exit.

Unless you want to wait for Asobo to fix all the 40.000 or more airports and have all the taxipaths checked for proper connections between runways and aprons… my above solution or workaround to the problem stated by OP is a good way to avoid penalties during the career missions.

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If that is the case then they should just give us one option and only show the actual hold short that is connected just ignore the rest. But I don’t think this is the case at all I had many runways which were simple and pretty sure it knows the path to parking from any hold short on the runway.
The detection is just very small like 5 meter while you still have like 300 to the next.
Also SayIntensions is letting people fix routes (Taxi Tuned) people do this all over the world so if a small company can do this why not Asobo, I mean when your making a simulator implement airfields correctly

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I’ve not been able to get ATC to acknowledge my radio calls to taxi to parking. I’ve tried everytime, but I get dinged when I try to turn around.

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My favorite is when it puts the hold short box in the middle of the runway while you are landing on it. Then you immediately fail the hold short radio call check and get your mission degraded from an S to an A.

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I loaded into a mission facing across the end of the runway I would be taking off from. I had to turn 90 degrees to be facing the right direction. As soon as I started the plane, I got dinged with the entering the Taxiway before announced.

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Yep definitely widespread problems with location of hold short after landing and just general placement of mission boxes for hold short and parking checks. It’s also a problem with them spawning inside buildings or other impossible spots.

Also elaborating on this particular issue, I have noticed a lot of times you’re expected to taxi back on runway even if there is a taxi exit available further down, and if the runway is too narrow to u-turn on, if you leave the pavement with your wheel even a little bit the grass will be considered a taxiway and you’ll get dinged for it.

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Have the same problem. when you then try to turn arounf you get dinged for leaving the runway or entering taxiway without announcement. The only real solution is to Alt-N once youve landed and avoid this mess

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• yes, sometimes

Provide extra information to complete the original description of the issue:
• Happened at landing at GMGU, see media

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• Direct after landing, the hold short is not the same as the destination of the visual assistence displayed path:

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• When i reached it, there was no hold short, but then it gave me another hold short:


• At destination of mission:
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