Yep Sim Update should focus on bugs. Default aircraft in Aviator edition are mostly unusable or just laughably bad. More doesn’t mean better. Ten quality aircraft would be better than the collection of junk we have now. Controls menu works in theory but is hopeless in practice. Just copy X-plane this was sorted decades ago. Makes new Outlook seem like a credible effort.
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We went from a sim that was working except for minor bugs that were being addressed by MSFS and/or Asobo. Now we have a very expensive sim, beautiful graphics and so much potential to inspire and awe the millions of simmers that have tried to use it. I say try, because there are so many functions that we were promised prior to release, that simply are not present, or do not work at all. Don’t spend valuable time on World updates or similar efforts, JUST FIX WHAT IS BOKEN SO WE CAN USE WHAT WE PAID FOR!!!
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If you remember 2020’s first two years Asobo did the same exact thing. There were game breaking bugs and they released scenery updates and sim updates adding features and not fixing what they had. There were so many topics posted like this for 2020. They didn’t listen then and they wont now. It’s like they made a timeline and regardless of what happens they stick to it. I’m just forgetting this game and come back to it in a year to see if it’s playable. It is a GAME now. Ever since 2020 released on Xbox it’s slowly become a console game and way less of a sim. 2024 just took it all the way.
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There are so many bugs! How could you even release it? Please fix the current software, so it’s usable, before adding new features.
Dave in New Jersey (NJPilot)
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Let’s just revisit in a year. If they focus and put quality SUs out, they should be able to have the worst issues ironed out by then.
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Sim Updates tend to focus on bug fixes. Especially the early ones. So asking devs to hold SUs back until they fix the game is silly. SUs are how they fix it.
As for World Updates, we had a similar discussion back in the early days of 2020, and it basically came down to this. The folks who do the world updates work independently of the folks who patch, and it isn’t like you could just make them all switch jobs. So we would just be shooting ourselves in the foot if we cancelled World Updates because they wouldn’t make patches happen any sooner.
This is hardly the first thread bargaining free content for patches, but really, take whatever free new content they give you. No need to lower the bar of our expectations. We can expect a patched game, and regular World Updates.
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Agree with most of your Post, but the comment above overlooks what we observed in FS2020 - There were several World Updates that had dependencies on particular SUs and SUs that obviously had enhancements to support particular WUs.
What we do not want is to have WUs plowing ahead full speed, that distract the work of fixing underlying faults in the SIM in order to add new features to SUs to support those new WUs.
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Can’t make new ads to lure new customers based on bug fix release notes.
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The whole sim is dependent on running the latest version. So you always have the latest SU. Unless you played 2020 offline. In which case WUs would be a moot issue.
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Sounds like a plan.
However in the interim I suggest requesting a refund for the 2024 purchase if you are not getting the use you were promised and the enjoyment that was implied. If sufficient customers do this, it would send a very strong message that the product is simply not close to being acceptable in the current form.
Letting MS (and by extension, Asobo) keep our purchase price when they have not delivered the product and services advertised is simply rewarding bad behaviour and policies.
For those who are not experiencing problems, I am very happy for you. But from the evidence of the forums, your experience is not universal.
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You miss my point that, in 2020 some WUs DID cause work to be done on SUs that delayed the release of patches and fixes.
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That wasn’t a major issue. I can think of no SUs that were delayed by a WU. Nor does a search of the forum turn anything up.
Besides, most people want the world patched if it is buggy. 
I do recall some SUs being delayed due to issues that arose during public beta testing.
I do not recall a time where a SU was delayed because say, Orbx was still working on a patch for a landmark.
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I strongly echo Mark’s sentiment, which is a constructive one. The platform has immense potential, but it needs to get in a state where it’s working as it should before piling on new things. It’s really a question of roadmap prioritisation. We understand that some developers like Gaia can’t be utilised for general bug fixing. But we don’t need more airport, more WU, more planes. I have the Aviator edition and some planes are unusable. Yesterday I tried the A310 landing challenge and the plane starts upside down and crashes. The 737MAX autopilot killed me a dozen times before I gave up on the plane. The list is long, you have the list. This community is working hard to update it. Once everything works like it should, we can back in the feature release cycle which will get all of us excited as it did for Msfs2020.
Cheers
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So they should fix your Aviators Edition before fixing someone’s Standard Edition or releasing any World Updates?
Look, I totally get the point you were making and I may have twisted it a bit unfairly in the paragraph above to make a point, but this whole thread is about people who want to cut in line and prioritize their bug fixes first while eliminating or pushing other things to the back of the line.
“I’ll gladly trade this thing I don’t much care about if you fix my pet bugs first!”
That’s not how it works.
That this thread was moved to General Discussion should show everyone how seriously staff and devs take this suggestion.
“Someone on the forums said we don’t have to release WUs until after the sim is fixed to their liking! We have their orders. Now get to work. Delay all World Updates until further notice.”
Hehehe.
No.
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Personal Comments and Observations
^^^can’t emphasize the above disclaimer enough.
I’ve managed to see both sides of the operation (since my 2nd hat in this industry - part-time - is with one of the Partner Devs).
Stopping Sim Updates is absolutely contradictory to the Original Post. Sim Updates in FS2020 is the main delivery framework by which core sim features’ defects (including simobjects such as MS-Asobo made/commissioned aircraft and scenery) are addressed. The concept is the same in FS2024 albeit Sreaming changes the deployment model from a local install to true Cloud delivery.
If you look hard at the list of Partner Devs on the opening marquee, you’ll see a lot of shops - not all of them do the same thing. So World Updates can and do run in parallel development without taking away resources from core sim development. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other - fixing the PC-24 doesn’t preclude another shop from continuing to improve the graphical load of bespoke airports for example or creating custom POI content for a new World Region.
A lot of what people are seeing is teething pains. Shifting the load from a massive monolithic local disk install (with all the issues around integrity and permissioning therein) to a streaming model isn’t perfected overnight. Everyone, even the various Partners, have had to adapt and change to this new model. It’s a big shift from FS2020, and it takes time to get it optimized and dialed-in.
Things will get a little better when Marketplace comes back online (because you can theoretically download sim components you want locally instead of Streaming), and when the 3rd Party Devs have had a chance to rejigger their FS2020 offerings to work optimally inside FS2024. The rest of it is simply time. In August 2020, there were hardly any mods available, the sim was too new. Here we are again, FS2024 is new, many Mods are starting to get reconfigured - it took Navigraph a couple of days to deliver their cockpit plug-ins, and a few weeks to get their Jeppensen AIRAC to work with the new sim. Same with some very popular freeware Mods - the authors are slowly but surely redoing their work because the Software Development Kit has been massively revamped.
TL;DR, you can wait or you can do something else. I advise doing something else for a bit or go fly 2020. That’s what I do. I have a few other AAA Franchise programs I have time and effort invested in - and I work on those when I’m not working on testing content for the sims. It keeps me fresh.
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While i do not agree with OP ( in modern gaming development resources allocation don’t work like that ), to read a post like this from a well known, civil and very passionate man like Mark really tell you something about the state of the sim.
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Totally agree that they should stop world updates and ‘nice to have’ graphical fixes, even if the team have no idea how to fix the core sim. It’s all about perception. If they continue and celebrate with a massive change log with what would be seen by so many as pointless, it can only do more harm than good. Priorities need to be changed. Microsoft should be on damage control and triage this mess rapidly to help prevent further reputation damage.
Frankly, I couldn’t give a monkeys about any additional updates, just get the basics working. The things that were promised and convinced people to part with a lot of cash in the much hyped launch.
If you want to carry on developing world updates in parallel, fine. Just have a massive release once the sim is fixed. Microsoft is not doing itself any favours by continuing down this tradition route with the foundation they’ve laid.
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World Update take zero ressources from Asobo, is all partner like Gaya, ORBX other scenery devs … because WU Brazil is come also for MS2020, already get some delayed …
Sim Update fix alot of thing take including downloading many packages on local, other thing …
Inibuild Fix alot issue on Airbus aircraft.
You dont forget probably get SU1 beta cycle …
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…I see your point, but on the other hand I have also seen many FS2020 world updates braking things in the sim (as opposed to just adding new scenery.
So indeed, for FS2024 most of us don‘t want or need additional stuff at this point - all we are craving for is a working sim. And what a sim it is - when it works!
In essence:
- World updates - no.
- Sim updates and fixes: yes, please…
- and the big one: make stuff downloadable (at least until MS gets the server issues sorted)
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Well, it needs to be better. Fix the airports, fix the jetways, fix the trees on approach. Update Bing maps. WU’s are import for me as most of my flights are GA. Half the world is still like FS98…
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