Hold Throttle Reverse Thrust

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:

In most MSFS 2020/2024 aircraft, if the ‘Hold Throttle Reverse Thrust’ key command is bound to a hardware button and pressed the throttle lever actions (axis movements) for all levers in the virtual cockpit should be reversed even though your moving your hardware throttles forward, to simulate the pilot moving the levers backwards to apply reverse thrust, but this is not happening in the Cessna Longitude whereas it does in other jet models with reverse thrusters. As the hardware throttles are moved forward, even though the ‘Hold Throttle Reverse Thrust’ button is pressed and held, the throttle levers in the virtual cockpit of the Cessna Longitude do not move backwards (axis movements are not reversed). As such, no ‘TR Deployed’ is indicated above the engine N1 gauges, the engine reverse ‘cups’ don’t deploy, and reverse thrust is not applied. One further note. Can I get the reverse thrusters to operate while pressing the assigned ‘Hold Throttle Reverse Thrust’ button? Yes, but I must operate the throttle levers in the virtual cockpit manually using the mouse to grab/pull the levers rearward.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:

Here, specifically, the Cessna Longitude

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

Yes and Yes

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Every time.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Assign the ‘Hold Reverse Thrust’ key command to a peripheral momentary button.
  2. With the throttles at idle (engines running), press and hold the button.
  3. Start moving your peripheral (hardware) throttles forward.
  4. View the throttle levers in the cockpit and the reverse ‘cups’ on the engines externally.
  5. The throttle levers in the virtual cockpit will continue to move forward instead of in reverse and the reverse ‘cups’ on the engines will not deploy. Further, the annunciation for ‘TR Deployed’ will not be seen above the N1 gauges.

YOUR SETTINGS

If the issue still occurs with no mods and add-ons, please continue to report your issue. If not, please move this post to the User Support Hub.

What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

In this case I’m using the Virpil VPC Throttle MT-50CM3 (which works fine with other jet aircraft reverse thrust setups as described).

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?

No and No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

DX12

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?

MSI RX 7900 XTX 24GB

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?

MB MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk WiFi with 13th Gen Intel i9 13900K with 64GB system memory.

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I just tried this in the Longitude (2024).

If you don’t mind, as a test, try pressing and holding down the F2 key on your keyboard for about 7 seconds.

For me, this animates both throttle levers fully backwards and engages Reverse Thrust. TR Unlock is displayed, quickly followed by TR Deploy at the top of the N1 gauges. The numbers on the N1 gauges increase until max reverse thrust is achieved. Outside, the buckets are deployed and the engines are roaring.

I realize you want to use a toggle to control this, but for troubleshooting, this will check the animation, etc.

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I just did a hot lap in the longitude to test, reversers worked before takeoff and after landing.

I have mine bound to “Toggle Throttle Reverse Thrust”

this is a click and release button that activates reverse on all jets and turboprops. I don’t have to hold it and when i advance throttle after pressing it I can adjust how much reverse thrust I want, and when finished i click it again to use throttle normally for taxi

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Yep, know about that one and tried it. It works exactly as expected (as you described) with one drawback, I can’t control the amount of reverse power applied. It’s max reverse thrust or nothing. Whereas on the other jet reverse thrust configurations I press my button and can control the exact amount of reverse thrust by how far I advance my throttles. Even the PMDG DC-6 prop works like that. I never had the Longitude in MSFS 2020 and this was my first crack at this aircraft model but the only one so far that doesn’t like the ‘Hold Throttle Reverse Thrust’ configuration. I looked at the SPADneXt event monitor but this is one of those operations that produces multiple commands at the same time. I haven’t figured out a way to duplicate it in SPADneXt when using an axis and buttons in conjunction with each other. Unless the code is changed in the Longitude (by Asobo) chances are there will be no way around this except to use the F2 setup at max reverse thrust. Sure wish Asobo would revamp the binding system to work better with modern peripherals.

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Tried that one too but it doesn’t do anything when I toggle the reverse thrust hold. The reverse thrust buttons on the throttle levers in the virtual cockpit don’t pull up at all. If I use the ‘Hold Throttle Reverse Thrust’ binding it will move the reverse thrust buttons on the throttle levers up but as described, when I move my hardware throttles forward the throttles in the virtual cockpit don’t reverse axes (don’t move backwards) as expected like they do in other jet reverse operations. Shame. Maybe if Asobo see’s this bug report a fix might get this working like the others?

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Curious. This doesnt work right for me. The throttle levers go into revers but then they only move a tiny bit, no matter how much i move the throttle levers. Not enough to go into full reverse.

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what aircraft is that on? or is it all of them?

I know the longitude has a bug with the reverse, I cant get more than idle reverse on it

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Yeah, Long Dude… err… Longitude.

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I have exactly the same issue. I have a tca quadrant, and when i activate the reverses on the quadrant, the TR will go down just a tiny bit.

I was playing around more and one time the reverses engaged all the way down, so i kept trying and trying and figured out a way to make them go all the way down.

When i set the levelers to idle and i touch down, i move them to the reverse part (all the way), then back to idle and slowly move them back down to TR, this way the TR activated at its full capacity.

Super weird, its not the hardware, since they work wonders on a32N.

I played around with tweaking the action curve as well, ao when going from 0 to 100 is more or less accurate.

There must be something parameter in the whole curve that gets captured when activating the reverses in the quadrant which allows it or no.

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In my case, I can’t set the TM Hotas anymore as I used to in MSFS 2020. I used to have the Off throttle position (Button) to be the reversers but not anymore.

I tried Hold Reverse and Toggle Reverse, none of them works in any aircraft.

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I spent more than an hour to give the chance to the reverse thrust to work using the Button that is actually the Throttle Off position in the HOTAS Warthog. It always worked since FSX…

I tried Hold and Toggle but could not get it to work.

Then I tried to assign the button to the Hold Reverse as well as the Decrease Throttle and with this combo, the reversers work somehow.

However it is not the case of every aircraft as some might have specific bugs , not sure…

But for example the A330, I set on its iPad the Reversers to be buttons not axis, got this combo to work but this is the amount of reverse I get and it is a slow deceleration… Or maybe this is how it should be!

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I just can’t vote on this as what you are asking for is not what I’d want to see. Moving a control in the opposite direction to its intended direction is not at all intuitive and not the sort of muscle memory I’d want. What you described is possible with the toggle reverse binding with my setup. The hold is intended to be a button press for reverse thrust. Meaning while you hold the button reverse is activated. This is possible with almost every bit of hardware out there. I get this doesn’t give you reverse as an axis but there are few pieces of hardware that can do that realistically with the correct detent anyhow.