I have a Neato D7. It eats Afghan rugs. Wife insists I vacuum those by hand! ($700 bot pulls up $10K rug!). Good on hard surface floors, though, but LIDAR guidance occasionally goes bananas when it catches reflections off shiny surfaces. So my own personal experience is that with consumer-priced technology and quality, a human house cleaner beats a “premium” robot any day of the week. No robot yet that can clean outside residential house windows, especially on the 2nd story or dust all the junk lying around in our house. So high-priced special purpose technology in a restricted environment-yes, we can do it. But mechs that can perform like humans in down-and-dirty every day tasks where lot of energy and mobility and smarts are required, it’s going to be slow-going. But I think it’s great with VR or AR back at the office we can simulate expensive operations with multi-million dollar equipment that it’s crazy or dangerous to practice on, e.g. firing a cruise missile with a real weapon on board or learning to fly a Boeing 737 MAX. I don’t underestimate technology. It’s amazing within our lifetimes how the standard model of physics, molecular biology, DNA sequencing, cloning, gene editing and repair, and modern computers and AI have evolved. I’m just saying let’s be realistic about where it’s all going and how fast. Predicting the millennium is upon us shortly when MS, as mighty as it is, can’t even bring all the variables under control in its extremely limited version of the real world in MSFS is the poster child for the points I have been attempting to make. But if quantum computing will make MSFS 2020 and VR just about equivalent to real life, I say, let’s go for it!
BTW, I’m a Ph.D. in Biochemistry, ex-molecular neurobiologist, ex-college professor, ex-CHP (Certified Health Physicist), so I’ve actually lived a lot of the technology I’m talking about. I don’t have to imagine what it’s like.
And as @HawkMoth9135 wisely pointed out, if we unfortunately end up cooking ourselves, we’re really not as smart as we thought all along. The real test of human ingenuity and cooperation is ongoing-just not screwing up big time is the millennium aspiration we should all have and work together to achieve. If VR, AR, and quantum computing can help us achieve that by showing us where various policies would be taking us in a graphic way that convinces the world to take the right actions, I’m all for that, too!
To be honest I actually find this quite heart warming and refreshing!
I am in fact a self-confessed techno person with more gadgets and tech items than I guess the ‘average’ person has and yet I wonder sometimes where all this is leading us. I am not really sure it is a great path to tread. A great ride for sure but I wonder if we are leaving some things behind on the way
@Kayembee370, well eventually it’s going to be a HUGE societal issue, as more and more jobs disappear to automation. I mean, eventually a single person (if that) will be able to run an entire chain of fast-food restaurants with sufficient automation. Apps to let customers place their orders, robot spatulas to flip the burgers, and other robots to cook and serve the fries, and so on, until you find that no humans whatsoever are required.
People who drive for a living will be screwed sooner than we think as self-driving cars, trucks, and yes, even airplanes make them unnecessary.
Robots who are visually indistinguishable from actual humans will gladly sling drinks and serve tables 24x7 without so much as a bathroom break, and eventually even cook the food, meaning (eventually, this is not an overnight thing) that you won’t need humans to operate a bar, or even a “high-end” steakhouse.
And that’s just a couple of examples, give it long enough, and technology will eventually make 80-90% (or more) of human “jobs” obsolete.
So what do we do then? I have some ideas, but I might be full of it, or even just dumb, so my ideas may not work. Point is, we’re facing a MASSIVE shift in the way our entire society works, and it’s already started. (You have seen the “order here” kiosks at fast-food restaurants, no?)
I think you are way to optimistic with your belief in technology. All the AI we have now and in the foreseeable future is better described as Artificial Idiocy. There’s no technological answer to phenomena like human consciousness yet.
Yes, it looks a bit grim to me. Having said that the strength of a human being has always been its ability to adapt and I can’t see that changing much. A hundred years from now people will probably look back and smile at the time when we actually drove our own cars, played games on a 2d screen and cooked our own meals from actual fresh produce. They will know no different and nor will they care since they will have been conditioned long ago that the times they live in currently is better than it ever was.
Yes, but what happens when our technology gets to the point that out of the 300,000,000 people in our country, we only need maybe 30,000,000 of them to be “employed”, because automation has taken over all other forms of traditional human labor? On the one hand, at that point maybe we will move on from a traditional economy where people work for money to acquire the goods and services we need, but then how do we decided who gets to own say a rare coin that is so desired by today’s standards that it might cost $250,000 if there is no system of money in place? Because there will always be more people who want one of those rare coins than there are coins in existence, unless we just make “fakes” that look like the rare ones.
To be honest, I don’t know. Probably there will be a massive division in society, much more so than now, where the majority of people have very little and have to conform to survive and a very few people have a great deal of power and control the majority
What happens could be as simple as getting rid of the only two political parties governing this country because they’d no longer be needed, since capitalism would have contributed in making a modern socialist country where machines would work and provide for the people
The ultimate and probably only solution to a new society full of automations but lack of employment opportunities would be virtual reality. The more you think about it, the more you would realize that it’s absolutely logical.
I fly VR even with a GTX1060 on a notebook! All the hard parameters are probably worse than anywhere else. But that is just data, which can’t tell the experience VR offers. The sensation is absolutely there! I can’t fly on a flat screen anymore!
(Tried overclocking but it kept crashing and hanging)
I am using the Oculus OpenXR implementation, this does not give me higher frame rates but less stutters.
I have my settings low to medium… (and sometimes change some of the settings to High/Ultra when I am high enough for them not to be an issue)
In busy airports I do get stutters and sometimes even the pause icon for a second. But ones in the air it is doable, some micro stutters. I am wondering about the RTX 3060 when it is released.
@UncleanerLeaf4, except we’re not talking about a “VR paradise”, we’re talking about a “Real Life paradise”. Hopefully, at least. Potentially a money free paradise (because the machines would do 99% of the work for us humans (using your numbers), except for the issue I brought up about how to distribute rare but desired things like ultra rare coins. And probably 10,000 others issues I didn’t bring up or even think about.
I so totally agree with this, all the rest about framerates, etc., etc., etc. notwithstanding. I’ll never use a flight simulator on a flat screen again. If something new and interesting comes out without VR support, I’ll be taking a pass on it. The same is probably true for racing/driving sims, but I haven’t tried any of those yet.
My system was almost identical to yours. I added 16gb and noticed a favorable improvement, then upgraded the 1060 with a 2080ti. Best thing I ever did. I use the Oculus Rift and can now super sample 1.5. The Tray Tool allows me to lock ASW to 18 and allows me to have smooth VR experience with High and Ultra settings. I’m so impressed with the Rift, I’ve put off purchasing a G2.
@CinnamonInk8010, because of all the baggage that FB adds to any Oculus product, I personally recommend replacing them as soon as possible, and preferably without selling them to another party who may be unaware of the downside risks associated with FB ownership.
I realize that’s a big ask/suggestion, because it causes a complete loss of value that your Oculus has, but in my opinion, because of all the FB baggage, Oculus devices have no value to begin with. Personally, I would not buy one new because of all of that, and even if I somehow talked myself into changing that position, I SURE wouldn’t buy a used one because of the possibility of it being bricked by it’s former “owner”. (I put owner in quotes because of the ability FB has to brick your device if you anger them which calls into question who really owns the device in question.)
Probably all Rift owners, at least those that had them before this rather odd FB decision, should have a fair bit of time before an FB account becomes a necessity. I’ve had mine since very soon after they were launched and that provided me with the option of sticking with the Oculus login route, rather than via FB.
However, the hardware itself should not be “bricked”, it is just effectively rendered unusable for anyone that has switched to the FB login route and then have had their account irretrievably blocked. It would be, i suppose, effectively “bricked” for them, but should be usable by any masochistic peep that has an open FB account.
That is, of course, providing the FB haven’t gone one step further and made the selling on of Oculus kit against the rules and deliberately put a block on the serial numbers of any headsets that have been associated with blocked FB accounts. Thinking about it, i wouldn’t put that past them.
Rift (s) users can wait until they merge their user account with facebook. There are alot of countries looking into this issue… and there is a big chance that it will not be allowed.
We will see, for now I am a happy Rift S user, maybe not the best headset out there at the moment but is does let me enjoy FS2020 and XPlane VR
@HawkMoth9135, and that is exactly the big picture problem. They can, and I predict eventually WILL do precisely what you just described. And all it would take is for you to somehow get on the radar of an FB moderator, who can then go through your history, even your private messages, and if he or she finds some political statement you made that they don’t like, give you a permaban on the basis of you being a radical right-wing militia member, or posting homemade pron, or some other such nonsense.
We’re maybe not so far from it already, If I’m not mistaken, Job Simulator was in the top games in 2020… I don’t personally get it but to each his own…
