If devs can't but modders can

Yeah but we still love you :kiss: :heart: :joy:

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This post (and this comment about seasons in particular) is completely overlooking the fact that some things are planned but haven’t been picked up yet.

Your assertion that modders can do it better is off the mark. MSFS was intentionally designed for this business model from the start.

I seriously doubt that MS/Asobo have tons of developers drawing salaries and millions in capitol to spend on this one product. I’m guessing the dev team is five or six people, if that. Managers/salespeople don’t count if they don’t also deal with the code.

Microsoft has plenty of capitol and Asobo has about 200 people on salary.

The main sales person/manager has been Jorge throughout.

Who are these developers with a R&D budget of “Hundreds of millions” ??
:open_mouth:

Roberts Space Industries. :rofl: :rofl:

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Google “AAA game budgets”. Lowest I’m seeing is around $60 - $80 million. I’m making an assumption that Microsoft has a bigger budget for MSFS in all its iterations, Xbox etc

Who knows?

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GTA5 was $500 million, and it supposedly made that back in a couple of days.

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I wonder if it was done just 5 or 6 underpaid developers as is being asserted as the total coding team for MSFS :thinking:

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Just stop it. Find some facts.

https://www.owler.com/company/asobostudio

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I’d suggest you use the official French data sources for this type of information:

https://www.infogreffe.fr/entreprise-societe/443752795-asobo-studio-330202B022430000.html?typeProduitOnglet=EXTRAIT&afficherretour=true

Revenue Gross Net
30/SEP/2020 17 851 000 € 4 862 000 €
30/SEP/2019 15 968 000 € 2 637 000 €
30/SEP/2018 13 727 000 € 2 848 000 €
30/SEP/2017 10 257 863 € 918 935 €

I suggest you teach me French.

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So does anyone disagree with the premise that MSFS is a AAA game?

@Salem978 @CptLucky8

Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) Windows credits - MobyGames

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I’ve translated the sheet columns in English and formatted the content to make it clearer!

Their “credits” page is old. It has been updated since SU5…

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Yes thank you :+1:

On the old one, there are a few 100 more on it. For the sake of completeness.

I don’t think that simply attaching mods to the official product would be a good idea. I’m thinking of the tons of posts on this forum that complain about CTDs and nightmare update stories. I don’t use unofficial mods, never have, never will, and I have had, flying every single day, only a single CTD ever, and never even the slightest problems with installing the updates.

Nothing against the modders, they are doing heroic work, but since they are not “official third party mods” they introduce much uncertainty, spaghettifaction of the code, and patchwork. Then you say make the common modder an official modder. Prolly a good idea, but you have to realize that then the speed of production will be slowed down, exactly for the reasons that things need to be integrated and coordinated, documented, etc. Just my 50 cents.

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