Improved pushback system is needed

Why woulds we need to steer anyway? Actually MSFS should detect the active runways and the taxiway route the ATC gives you, based on that it should be able to perfectly push you back automatically to be in line with the taxiway.

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It would be nice if we could get something like the pushback plugin in X-Plane where you can design the route and then sort of communicate with the driver.

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Totally agree. The current provision of pushback is very clunky and cumbersome. If Better Pushback’s (XP11) planning feature was added, it would be SO much better. Asobo could have an ‘advanced pushback’ option in the Assistance options that could then allow simmers to plan their pushback. This would then still allow the casual player to pushback with the current system, without the need to dive into more realistic pushback.
I would also prefer to have the realism increased; the tow requesting parking brake release/lock and lifting of the aircraft. For GA aircraft with engines on the nose, making sure the engine is off before pushback. Who would want to be that close to a spinning prop!

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I agree completely, except that “the extra commands in the ATC menu are absolutely fine”. Becasue they are not. You definitely do not call ATC to request pushback, and you absolutely definitely do not call ATC to request catering or baggage. So these need to go away also.

There really should be an “intercom” option next to ATC for direct communication with the ground services. At least this will be more realistic.

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Yes. So true. I also worked ramp. The current method is needless, let alone wrong.

Oh, and the wheels of the pushback car are not turning :wink:

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That would be by far the best implementation of a pushback system.
Just tell the tug guy “pushback, facing east” as it seems to be in real life.

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Hi
Today at EGLC Airport i start the flight on ramp 23.
Setup the flight and request request pushback to the left to finish aligned with taxiway.
At the time i need to stop pushback as behind me i have water ATC receive other comunications and to help to different ATC Clearence for 2 AI airplanes.
Guess what happen to me ???
Yap finish on water.
So my question is , wouldn’t be better have the pushback speech not together with ATC ?
humm
Can be together but not be part of the same frequency radio as example.
Sorry if my english is not the best one.

Thanks

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I believe we just need a better PB in general. The “Request push to the left / right” is not the greatest way. Maybe something like from xPlane 11’s better pushback mod where you can choose where you want the pushback to end. Forward push is also needed too haha

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Agreed. And the only way I’ve found to at least slow the pushback when the frequency is jammed, is to put on the parking brakes. Realistically, it should completely STOP the pushback. But it does at least slow it.

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Use SET PAUSE ON - this pauses the plane, but the ATC continues. You can then SET PAUSE OFF when you’ve responded to ATC/Requested puchback stop etc. Note this is NOT active pause.

See here

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Great idea. Don’t know why I didn’t think of that, since I use it to enter FMC (or whatever the Airbus equiv. is) data when ATC assigns it late. Should’ve thought of this. Thanks! :+1:t4: :grin:

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Shouldn’t it stop when you press SHIFT+P ?

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Definitely. And do they really use those small trolley things ( and shove them under a rotating prop !!) regardless of aircraft type?
As for using ATC - it is all way too long-winded and in the air I am constantly in areas of ‘controller tennis’ being handed over, then back, then elsewhere - all with long readbacks etc that make it impossible to get an ATIS or contact a nearby airfield until they have stopped (then usually they set off on the same with someone else).

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This might help … https://flightsim.to/file/853/pushback-helper-v2-0

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Disappointed to see that improving pushback is quite low on the devs list of slated improvements. Probably would help if we get the votes for this up!
The current system is ridiculous. Who can tell what they were thinking when they designed it.
Please vote this up!

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Like others have said the current pushback rigmarole is stupid. In real life you have the ground handler the pilot communicates with who advises the crew when the engines are clear, when they can start up etc etc. Real world flight crews do not go through atc to turn right or left or to stop the push thats what the dround handler plugged in to the aircraft does. I have seen videos of other flight sims (dont know which ones) that you can hear the voices of the handler telling the crew to release the brakes etc why cant we have that in msfs 2020. Please can we have that please and be closer to reality ■■■■■■ knows how overworked and stressed out not to mention the delays that would happen in real life if atc had to do all that communications

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Good day everyone,

I am sure that everyone has noticed that push-back on aircraft seems a “bit out of wack”. It looks like the the push-back guy and his little device go right into the CG of the plane before it suddenly resets and then starts push-back.


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I voted for this because I want a better pushback system, but I’m not sure AS/MS should use their scarce resources to develop it. Looking at the one they included, I don’t think they have the knowledge to make it happen. If they did, they wouldn’t have designed the current one the way they did.

Simple question that should provoke thought from the developer - how is a pilot supposed to tell the tug what to do? Do they have a rear view mirror or something? Did they ask any air;line pilots how the push back procedure works or did the just make it up. To me, the current process feels like something I would see on one of my kid’s shows like Super Wings.

Anyway, what AS/MS need to do is call up Umberto from FSDT and say “Hi Umberto. We came to the conclusion that our pushback feature is a complete turd. What do you need from us to implement GSX for MSFS?”

They need to repeat this process for a number of features that they simply don’t have the knowledge or resources to implement properly in a timely manner. Sure, they have the tech, but they seem to be suffering from the same syndrome that many technologists suffer from - they assume that since the can code, they know everything about everything - techie arrogance for lack of a better term.

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I used it at first until the PC people kept getting it wrong - driving into a prop-disc, pushing me into other traffic etc. Since then I just use shift P in the traditional way or reverse thrust - which lets us steer easily (into the beer tent).

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