Did I miss the memo that said I could only fly in one simulation?
What about my copy of Steel Beasts? - do I have to give up tanks as well as X-Plane, DCS & F4 BMS? Oh! not to mention IL2 (various - and more tanks), and Prepar3d… FSX too, and god knows what other simulacromungery ™ I have filling up my drives? Can there really only be “One Sim To Rule Them All”?
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It beats me how so many are so invested this early on. Is it the large wad of cash you had to drop, or some personal trauma caused by a childhood incident with a rival sim developer?
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Didn’t you get the memo? You are only allowed to be a part of one camp going forward.
Just my 2 cents in regards to the original topic.
I think the simulator although containing a number of issues on release is plenty fine to play from my perspective. That being said, I’m clearly not experiencing the game play preventable issues that others are. In 35+ hours of logged flight time I have not experienced a single crash to desktop or otherwise.
There are obviously things the simulator has yet to implement, and particular ways in which they could improve things (flight planning and taxing comes to mind), but I’m (and this is a big one) going to assume that I’m a part of a vast majority who are not having issues with the sim in regards to pure function of running it as intended, even if that intention has missed its mark on certain implementations of instruments and charts.
Personally I like to plan my flights in Navigraph. I was pleased to see the two working together via simlink which makes taxing easier, but importing NG plans into MS is a PITA as explained in my video here:
Also have no problem flying my IFR plan (after re-planning in MS) in that flight.
The attached flight is more than good for a day 1 launch of a product with so much potential.
I hope they can put future focus on the accuracy of the SID STAR APR airport plates which would solve the flight plan and taxi issues. I’ve heard the devs in multiple places address the functionality of the G1/3/5xxx systems, so I can look forward to more functionality there.
There are clearly quirks here and there, but nothing that prevents me from enjoying what is to be had at the moment. It’s still the most immersive flight sim I own, and I’ve owned them all including at current X-Plane and more $$$ than I’m willing to admit in DCS.
Do I want a study level Pilatus PC-12? Yup. Did I expect MS to provide me with this day 1? Nope! Knew I’d have to wait for third parties for that.
Personally I was pleasantly surprised with the included functionality of the included TBM 930 and its systems which is providing me with my pilatus fix for the moment.
Maybe my perspective is skewed because I don’t fly heavies and pretty much exclusively fly the TBM and the DA62 filling the gaps with the other smaller GA aircraft.
MS did mention that their heavies specifically were not meant to be even close to study level and that 3’rd parties would fill that gap and do it better than they could anyway.
Either way, I think I have an incredible value in MS FS 2020 as it stands right now. Coming from DCS prices maybe again thats perpective.
Either way I’m happy and look forward to the commitment MS seems to have in continual development of this as a platform for simmers and 3’rd parties.
Edit: whoops, posted this in wrong thread (multiple tabs open) but it seems relevant here to.
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Yea I’ve been pretty much exclusively flying the TBM 930 also. It seems like the most solid aircraft, just need to get VNAV to work. And the winds since I fly almost exclusively in North America. I was hoping we would get at least one heavy that at least had all the functioning autopilot and FMS though. It seems like the performance is greatly exaggerated on them too, at least the Airbus is. The CJ4 is WAYY overpowered, seems like its been doubled! Burns twice as much fuel too so would like to see that get fixed.
TBM 930 though is giving me some pretty good flights so I’ll stick with it and throw some ZIBO on X-Plane when I want to fly some heavies until we get some proper 3rd party ones in MSFS
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I am a big fan of xplane. For flying airliners, and for VR I will keep using xplane. However, there is one thing that msfs 2020 made me realise. I love flying airliners because I love cockpits, with all the buttons, switches and procedures. I was not that interested in flying GA and flying itself. Until I tried MSFS 2020. Thanks to the incredible scenery, I also enjoy flying GA aircraft. MSFS really taught me the love for flying itself. So for me, and for now, there is room for both. Xplane for airliners and VR, MSFS for GA and vfr. There are still a lot of things missing and buggy in MSFS.
But imagine MSFS 2020 in VR…
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Here’s how it is:
In the [to be written] annals of the history of the development of the flight simulator, August 18, 2020 will become known as MSFS day. This, of course means that, said history, will be divided into two periods: BAM as in Before Asobo/Microsoft and A2M as in [yes you’ve guessed it] After Asobo/Microsoft.
The consequences of all this are profound and far reaching.
Just as the horse drawn carriage was replaced by the internal combustion engine.
Or a great weight of books by the Kindle.
Or [last one] religion - eventually - being supplanted by rationalism and science.
At A2M +16 [days] without doubt All other flight sims are now dead in the water [or if you prefer, dead on the apron].
Further, I think the community should declare 18th August a Flight day holiday [similar to a bank holiday but more exclusive] and every year we can all participate in a mass communal flight that ends with the consumption of much beer and cake.
The future is is indeed bright. But it’s not orange, it’s sky blue.
I wrote this on one of the other forums, and it wasn’t received very well.
I likened the release of MSFS to the release of the iPhone back in 2007. Before it’s release, every other handset manufacturer out there derided the decision to have a phone with no keypad. They claimed that no one wanted it. Within a year or two, all those handset manufacturers were making keypad-less phones. The iPhone was a clear line in the sand, where you can look at technology, and identify a pre-iPhone, and post-iPhone era.
The two take-always from this are:
- Companies don’t want to sell you want they don’t have.
- If you can’t beat them, emulate them.
For all it’s flaws, MSFS has drawn a line in the sand.
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Anyone know what this X-Plane is??
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Did you say you played microsoft flight simulator in the 70’s?! Was the secret console text based version or something?
Agree to most part till until xplane 2021. I am not sure if they ever will have access to the infrastructure and computing power that MSFS has access to and they are on the path to exploit it further. This is just the first step, like a baby taking its first steps. Wobbly and unsteady, but eventually gets the balance right and starts to run. I know there will be arguments like - this is Microsoft and the comparison is not right etc. I will wait and watch but, there is a fair likelihood that what I mentioned may well happen
ok, i stopped when i read about skymaxpro.
HOW can you compare that ■■■■ with ms wheater system? It can’t even draw the rain over the clouds, and theyr support team is the worst salty team in history. I play xplan from xplane 10, with the a320neo jardesign, and yes, flight model and realism was more accurate, for sure, but maybe in time it will be fixed.
But the wheater… i dream about a wheater system like this in FS by when i was a kid.
Try to set clouds to ULTRA, and pick a good graphics card, then let’s talk again about the wheater
When theyll fix the wind it will be perfect
Let`s see you fly over your own house in x-plane. With the right equipment this showcases what can be done (even with bugs) in this sim. My specs:
Motherboard: Asus Rog Z390 Gaming
55" curved oled Tv, till VR arrives.
CPU: Intel i7-9700K @49mhz per core.
GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080ti
CPU-Cooler: Liquid cooled 240mm
PSU: Corsair RM850x 800 Gold
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4/3000mhz
M.2 NVME SSD: 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus
SSD: NVME Samsung 970 EVO 500GB
5.1 sound system Soundblaster.
Next level V3 Motion platform on GT rig.
2 Buttkickers on race rig with 300watt earthquake amp…
Valve Index. VR HP Reverb G2 on order.
Sim Racing studio wind and tactile generators.
Saitek Hotas.
Alpha Honeycomb flight controls.
Thrustmaster TPR Rudder.
This is why there should really be a manual - not for the elements of flying, or how to fly particular planes, but for how to set up and use the simulator itself.
For example, how many people realise you can assign actions to double-key presses on a joystick?
A you-tuber I watched the other day did not realise there are key combinations to access the instrument views, instead of going through the on-screen menu.
Useful and simple things to know, once you’ve found out, but not all collected together in a useful reference file/manual.
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Concerning FS2020 vs X-Plane.
Competition stimulates innovation, as well as diversity (in the true, original meaning of the word). FS2020 will probably become the gamers sim, while X-Plane has always had a market with the more serious flyers. It will do no-one any good (least of all we customers) if FS2020 wiped all the other flight sims off the market.
While Laminar research will have made notes about how FS2020 has advanced in the market, MS/Asobo also have a lot to learn, in particlar about customer relations.
X-Plane developers are often on the forums, solving problems, or giving a new take on improvements. When X-Plane is updated, they always go through an extensive public beta, with a specific site where users can discuss problems/suggestions directly with the developers.
On FS2020, however, we do not know even if the developers ever read the posts. The complete lack of communication from them is astonishing - for example, suspending the Marketplace updates without warning, or giving any clue as to what was happening. Implementing a forced update without a beta, resulting in a significant backward step in many areas is the sort of mistake newbie firms make, not firms as long in the business as MS.
Asobo/MS need to learn quickly, or they will lose (or perhaps have already lost) a new generation of flight simmers, and MS will leave the flight sim market yet again.
I should point out that I have been a flight simmer longer than most - my first flight sim was on a computer I built (i.e. soldered the chips onto a motherboard, etc) long before PCs were ever dreamt of. I have no axe to grind - I just want flight sims to improve.
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Installed on an Etch A Sketch™
Well actually in X-plane there is a house representing mine at the very least and its two storey. In FS, all the houses in my street are shown as single storey bungalows and my house in non existent. So lets downplay the “fly over your house” nonsense because it just isnt true for every FS user.
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Does Laminar really listen to the community though? It’s basically the ideas of one guy and what he wants is holy it seems to me. Also X-plane has a long list of long time bugs and issues. Also it doesn’t look great out of the box even after 25 years of active development. The land is green and the sky is blue with 2D images stacked on top of each other for clouds. And it costs just as much as MSFS.
MSFS has been released a month ago. They are doing fine i think.
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Yes, my Close is a disaster as well. Only half the number of houses, with mine omitted. In addition, there must have been a lorry up the Close when the satellite image was taken, which the AI has interpreted to be a massive house obstructing the road. More Artificial and less Intelligence in this case!
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Haha, yes godamn chlorophyll!
There is also too much blue over the oceans, too much brown in the desert and too much white in the North
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