Instability in B787 (And Other Aircraft) Autopilots on ILS

ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Autopilot instability in SU4 Beta

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

Constant on ILS into KSFO (San Francisco)

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Just fly the ILS into SFO 28R and the plane swings wildly left and right and cannot stay on localizer. Have replicated 3 times. Have not tried other instrument approaches. I am a LP and Instrument Rated.

YOUR SETTINGS

Not relevant

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?

No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

NA

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?

ASUS 5080

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?

Ryzen 7950

MEDIA

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Have you tried an ILS approach at another airport to rule out a scenery issue versus aircraft issue?

Yeah, good idea but if I spent my time debugging this program i would have to quit my day job. I’ll set up a flight plan into OAK Oakland nearby. Have not been there in MSFS 2024.

Thanks for responding.

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I had the same experience with a COWS DA42 with the current stable version. I haven’t tried it with SU4.

Exactly the same problem into KOAK. The AP “chases” the localizer and never connects properly.

I have no problems with SU3. The AP is one of the best things about the 787. Note I just replicated the problem with SU4 Beta into KOAK. If you are still running SU3 try the ILS into KSFO. 28R (or L).

Using MS flight planner a good departure is KNUQ which is an old naval air station just SE of SFO and makes for a short flight. You can also use KSJC, which is San Jose. Almost a straight in for the ILS but further away.

Took me 2 minutes to do with MS Flight Planner. Remember to intercept the GS from underneath. So I set the initial climb to 3000’ and you will come in under.

Moved to Sim Update 4 Beta | MSFS 2024 > Aircraft & Systems as OP is on the SU4 beta.

My first two flights in SU4 Beta indicate, that this might be a more widespread issue.

Saab 340 and TBM 930 both navigated normally during the preceding phases of flight. But once in approach mode they started wildly overcorrecting.

Basically turned into a “bang-bang controller”, where the moment the deviation on either axis swung from one side to the other, it would apply full roll/pitch deflection. This resulted in awful “snaking” down the localizer until the AP was turned off.

With AP disabled, I watched the FD continuing to make these drastic shifts every time i crossed center.

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Can confirm this as well. Tried it with the C172, G36 and PA28-236 at KSEA, CYVR and KRYY. It swings not only horisontally but also vertically: plunges @ -1500fpm, levels out, repeat. Video of the PA28-236 at KRYY.

I would suggest the thread title be amended to include other aircraft

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UPDATE:

The issue is not just limited to flying approaches for me. While just flying straight and level in ALT and HDG or NAV mode, the aircraft “snaps” to a different attitude every now and then. It is as if the AP went to sleep for a while and all of a sudden realises it has fallen behind and pretty much instantaneously snaps the aircraft to a new attitude that should have changed over time.

This is the first unique issue that I have pretty much ever had in either 2020 or 2024. It is sufficiently annoying for me to now leave SU4 Beta and return to SU3

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Reassured this was not pilot error. I have amended the Title to include other aircraft. It is such a gross problem I hope it is easy to solve.

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Tonight the C208 was shaking its head “no” for much of a flight. Yaw dampening sometimes helped and sometimes made the oscillations stronger. (Btw i have rudder assist on).

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I also have this issue since Beta 4 with various airports and aircraft since joining. RNAV works fine, just ILS for me on XBOX X.

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
C90-GTx-King-Air Autopilot seems to be “hunting” on approach

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Everytime

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Tune in any ILS

  2. Try to follow it in

YOUR SETTINGS

If the issue still occurs with no mods and add-ons, please continue to report your issue. If not, please move this post to the User Support Hub.

What peripherals are you using:

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?

MEDIA

Please add a screenshot or video of the issue occurring.

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Thank you for the bug report.

We have created an internal ticket to see if our team already has this logged, and if not they will attempt to reproduce the issue and create a new bug report. This item is now marked as feedback-logged. If there is an existing bug report or one is created, we will move this thread to bug-logged.

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For the record this problem was not improved by the new Beta version dropped on Septermber 10.

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Same oscillation on the Glide Slope on the Longitude.

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the same here Good performances in PC but: ILS broken all airplanes, no brakes on landing.

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ILS AP approach also broken on CJ4.

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I had the same experience with the Cirrus Vision landing at London City (EGLC). The plane weaves excessively when established on the localizer.

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