Intel ARC - A Series & B Series Graphics Card (GPU) Discussion Thread

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The newer ones are fine.
They are 12 GB of VRAM.

I have the A770 LE, 16 GB VRAM.
It runs great on FS2020 at 4K. Graphics are beautiful.
FS2024 should be the same although I haven’t used it on FS2024.
The max I saw on FS2020 was around 14GB of VRAM being displayed.

The more VRAM you have, the more graphics you can display.

I now have the Sapphire RX 7900 XTX Nitro which has 24 GB of VRAM.
The max I have seen is around 22.4 GB of VRAM being displayed.

I could easily go back to the A770 16 GB and be content.

But, I’m going to wait fr the 16 GB Battlemage GPU or the
Celestial next year.

If you can afford it, go with the A770 16 GB.
If not, the A580 will serve you well.

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Indeed they are lower tier. However being that they are new, I wonder what their raw performance will look like compared to the previous gen.
I hear they will announce the 12GB cards, was also hoping they would give clarity with regards to the top tier release schedule , if any, during that announcement.
Either way, the new products might have further impact on the pricing of the existing ones.

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Intels first Battlemage acknowlegement.
It’s coming.

B580 $250.00

The full reveal.

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So they are aiming squarely at the 1440p market with a value play.
It’s a smart business decision.
Would have liked to see them communicate on positioning their upcoming products as 4K value gaming cards, for those of us who prefer large screens.

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I used my A770 LE on FS2020 at 4K and it was great
and one user replied on this thread that he used his at 8K.

I am surprised that it is not spec’d higher by Intel.
Or why they don’t list it in their specs.
I wonder what it means?

Here is the Intel specs for both.

A770
Memory Specifications
Memory Size16 GB
Memory TypeGDDR6
Graphics Memory Interface256 bit
Graphics Memory Bandwidth560 GB/s
Graphics Memory Speed17.5 Gbps

I/O Specifications
Number of Displays Supported‡4
Graphics Output‡eDP* 1.4, DP 2.0 up to UHBR 10**, HDMI* 2.1, HDMI* 2.0b
HDMI Variable Refresh Rate (VRR)Yes
Max Resolution (HDMI)‡ 4096 x 2160@60Hz
Max Resolution (DP)‡ 7680 x 4320@60Hz

B580
Memory Specifications
Memory12 GB GDDR6
Graphics Memory Interface192 bit
Graphics Memory Bandwidth456 GB/s
Graphics Memory Speed19 Gbps

I/O Specifications
Number of Displays Supported‡4
HDMI Variable Refresh Rate (VRR)Yes

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I’m very interested in the B580 as a replacement for my 2060. I was planning on getting the 4060, but I’m seeing that 8 GB of VRAM is unfeasible for the VRAM hog that is MSFS 2024.

However, I still have concerns that the Arc drivers are not yet mature and that it could cause specific problems not only in MSFS, but in other games, which the devs won’t even bother to take a look at because the Intel Arc user base is very low.

Maybe someone who has been using Intel Arc for some time can give opinions about the drivers and their current experience in both MSFS and other games.

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New driver is available: 6314 WHQL
For all ARC cards plus iGPUs.

This is the 73rd driver released.

Win 10 & 11
11th Gen, 12th, 13th, 14th, (Raptor, Meteor Lake with integrated GPUs),
(Core Ultra integrated ARC GPUs).
All Discrete ARC Cards

Download the .exe.
Select “Customize” then “ Execute a Clean Install”.

Then select Reboot.

I have installed this driver to my i7-14700K iGPU.

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last question to have clear ideas and choose the right one for me. Is it worth taking the 770 even if a previous model with 16 GB or B580 with 12?
I checked my BIOS it allows me to enable both 4G and BAR.
I need it to simulate at 1440p without compromises with pmdg and Fenix.
My motherboard build Z490UD rev 1 BIOS version F23 i7 10700 KF 32GB of RAM 3200 MHZ ddr4
GPU RX5700XT

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It depends on what amount of graphics you want to display.
More VRAM provides more graphics and graphics detail.

And the capability of your display.

FS2020 - 4K, Ultra, HDR - I have gone from (max ):
GTX 1660 TI ---- 6GB ----> Displays around 5.8 GB
A770 ------------ 16 GB —> Displays around 14.0 GB
RX 7900 XTX - 24 GB —> Displays around 22.4 GB

And from FS2020/2024, the increase is automatic from FS2020/2024.

A770 $300.00
B580 $250.00

I would go for the A770 just for the VRAM.

But the B580 has other additional increased capabilities
from the older A770. Newer architecture.

I don’t game: just sim.
So that is my reasoning.

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the reasoning is the same as yours.
The monitor resolution is 2K (1440p 144hz) and I would like to simulate everything on ultra.
I ask here on the forum because I don’t know Intel GPUs but I can’t afford to spend to have an rx 7700xt or a 4070.
A smooth simulator is enough for me even with Pay scenarios and Vatsim traffic.

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Just to be clear.

I flew 4K, Ultra, HDR, on all 3 GPUs.

The B580 will probably be great.
The graphics will probably be great.

But since Intel did not list Graphic Output & Resolution in it’s specs
I can’t say what the B580 will do.

FS2020/2024 will send the graphic amount and and detail
that will depend on the specifications of the GPU.

If you interest is a smooth simulator, then the B580 will provide that
for you.

And, the price is excellent at $250.00.

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Hi @inapa1467,

I’ve been using the Arc 770 with both MSFS 2020 and 2024. My 2 cents:

MSFS 2020:
The 770 can handle displaying bush flights on my 4K 55" TV with virtually all settings set at Ultra (or the maximum value) without a problem.

I don’t have any pmdg or Fenix aircraft, but flying the A320 neo around scenery-dense airports (EGLL, KLAX, KJFK, etc.) does reduce performance (= Framerates) & can cause a few stutters. Reducing some of the settings can alleviate this. Since I rarely fly airliners, this is not an issue for me. The cost benefit of the 770 when I purchased it far outweighed the improved performance of the better Nvidia or AMD cards that were far more expensive.

MSFS 2024:
Performance is not as good in the current build (v1.1.10.0) as 2020. I’ve had to reduce settings from Ultra to mostly Medium (with a few at High) to get framerates in the high 20’s, which though low, is quite smooth in many regions.

However, the card struggles displaying the newer scenery areas in the game that have improved DEM, TIN, etc. Some airports are simply unflyable (e.g. Sedona), with framerates dropping below 20 and tanking to a 5-8 FPS slideshow when landing or taking off. The sim also has a tendency to freeze in such situations, requiring the game to be killed in Task Manager.

However, at this point the game is too new and there is too little hard data out there to conclusively say if this issue is caused by:

  • The GPU (hardware)
  • The GPU (software), where a driver update could be the solution.
  • MSFS 2024, where the issue might be fixed in a new build.
  • A combination of any of the above.

VRAM usage in 2024 is noticeably higher than 2020. It often uses 90%+ of the 16GB on the card, all the time. The GPU also runs at 95% -100% all the time when in flight. My machine (with a a i7-1200K CPU) is definitely GPU-bound. MSFS 2024 also often uses 80%+ of my 32GB of motherboard RAM, all the time, when in flight.

So, in MSFS 2024, at 1440p you’ll get better framerates than me, but I doubt that you will be able to fly the pmdg & Fenix “without compromises” with this card unless you set most settings to Off, Low or Medium. And with these settings, flying in MSFS 2020 is probably the better choice.

If purchasing a card today, I would not consider any card with less than 16GB VRAM. 24GB would be my preferred option.

I do not play any other games on my PC other than MSFS, so cannot comment on how an Arc would perform in those scenarios.

Hope this helps with your decision-making. :slightly_smiling_face:

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thank you very much for the answers.
I only use MSFS and I have no other games.
For now I have no intention of switching to MSFS2024 precisely because of the lack of optimization for both drivers and the simulator itself.
From your answers I understood that the 770 is an excellent GPU for 2020. Now I am evaluating and waiting for the B580 to come out and evaluating what to buy, also because in Italy the 770 titan has dropped below 300 euros, surely as soon as the B series comes out the prices will drop a bit more. as for the LIliner (pmdg and Fenix) in flight I can even get to 40 FPS with an RX5700xt but as soon as I go to paid and crowded airports they drop to 20 with scary lag of even 10 seconds. for this I want to change if
I can.on the ground I can stay at 28/30 FPS on Heathrow pay and Vatsim traffic but I have set a lot on ultra and high off I have nothing. low I only have shadows. With the c172 wbsim that I love so much I am at 50/60 on the ground 60/65 in flight with the settings already mentioned. For now I am oriented towards the 770 but I am waiting for some benchmarks of the b580. I am not interested in overclocking and new generation GPUs or 3000 FPS, I am interested in having an excellent view of the scenario in VFR and that on IFR flights it is fluid without lag and enjoy the airport scenery.

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New driver is available: 6319 BETA

For all ARC cards plus iGPUs.
This is the 74th driver released.

Win 10 & 11
11th Gen, 12th, 13th, 14th, (Raptor, Meteor Lake with integrated GPUs),
(Core Ultra integrated ARC GPUs).
All Discrete ARC Cards

Download the .exe.
Select “Customize” then “ Execute a Clean Install”.

Then select Reboot.

I have installed this driver to my i7-14700K iGPU.

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As has (probably) already been pointed out the success of these GPUs will depend very much on the drivers Intel come out with and how often they update them.

Personally, I buy Nvidia cards mainly for the number of driver updates they do (not all are good, I know, but you can easily revert to the previous one). Many game makers also seem to optimise their games for Nvidia cards too since they hold a majority of the market share.

That said, it’s good to have three guys in the gpu market now. Any competition against Nvidia can only be a good thing for the customer. I wish Intel the best of luck here.

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the first benchmarks on the b580 begin and I see that with the 770 there is a difference of more or less 1 FPS…more and more convinced to get the A770

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I just saw the reviews for the B580 and I’m sold. In most games, it outperforms both the RTX 4060 and the Arc A770.

I couldn’t find any benchmarks for MSFS 2024, especially since the 2024 is still new and not mature enough for benchmarking, but I found one for MSFS 2020 and the results are very good compared to the 4060 in both 1080p and 1440p.

1080p Ultra

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1440p Ultra

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On MSFS 2024. I think the 12GB of VRAM on the B580 should make a difference over the 4060 with only 8GB, especially considering the 2024 is VRAM-hog and the devs have already warned it’s not a bug.

I was planning on buying the 4060, but after these reviews, I’ll definitely get the B580.

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There is a benchmark study by tom’s hardware guide that I posted earlier, testing many GPUs including A770.
There is also some feedback on this forum re: Intel GPUs with MSFS2024, and it does not look optimal as of now.

Of course, as you rightfully mentioned, MSFS2024 is still going through a maturation phase.
But it is unclear whether the excellent results/value of Intel discrete GPUs like A770 on MSFS2020
will translate into a good experience with B580 on MSFS2024.

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Looks like the Intel B580 is selling well.

Newegg - Intel B580
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Amazon doesn’t list an Intel B580.
Just the other vendors B580s.

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New driver is available: ## 6325 WHQL ##

For all ARC cards plus iGPUs.
This is the 75th driver released.

Intel® Graphics Driver 32.0.101.6325/32.0.101.101.6252 for Intel® Arc™ B-Series Graphics, Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics, Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics, and Intel® Core™ Ultra Processors with Intel® Arc™ Graphics

Download the .exe.
Select “Customize” then “ Execute a Clean Install”.

Then select Reboot.

I have installed this driver to my i7-14700K iGPU.