January 16, 2025 Development Update Blog Discussion

No. They will fix them.

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And i hope that they do it with highest priority by assigning all available resources.

Make them bug testers then.

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Maybe they have enough of those waiting for the lead - or skilled - developers to solve the problem. We don’t know, it’s pointless to demand things like stop working on blablabla.. :wink: Just fix it. 3rd parties are waiting for MS to fix this game. I don’t want to have to buy an add-on for FS2020 at this point in time, that would literally be going backwards.

Sorry, but I’ve seen no indication that they have any bug testers.

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So yes I can give you multiple bugs that prevent to fly VR:

+ First: no mouse at all... you have just to leave VR and hope to get back some mouse in order to make any interaction with the aircraft controls
+ Second: no VR toolbar: you start a VR flight , even in carreer mode and you are unable to activate the pop-up to see the target in VR, or the toolbar. So impossible to change anything to see panels etc
+ Third: the EFB that is now used for many stull like missions: this a window that is not resizable, not clickable, in a strange formet
+ Fourth and not least: CTD after 15 minutes in VR and carreer mode. Impossible to make missions , they are just crashing your headset

Last but not least, but indeed not preventing you to play VR;

   + very bad FPS
   + plenty of strange artefacts in windows (ghost lights etc)
   + often all your VR settings are reset by default
   + when going out from VR to 2D you lost all your panels settings / size etc and sometimes the toolbar in 2D

Yes they can concentrate on this list of bugs. But for me these bugs make VR almost unexploitable. Especially in the career mode.

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No one said community beta testing is a new concept, but it is a crucial part of the process for greatly improving the sim.

And I never said it wasn’t
 :slightly_smiling_face:

Still get a crash when i want to return from a free flight with an inibuilds airbus to the main menue

Still no sids/stars available at frankfurt eddf and stuttgart edds.
At least if you dont have navigraph subs

I agree with your post as far as that is exactly what should be happening, but the experience with 2020 shows me that the fixes usually fall short as they are often misunderstood.

How many times did we go over the logbook pop-up issue at end of flight in the dev livestreams? It became embarrassing. So it took many months to fix. One of many such cases. This is what I fear, despite the organised lists on the snapshots which promise much but don’t always deliver.

I agree, I don’t think they are, but I think Game Pass access is creating a steady influx of new players, some of which stick around. Most people I know had never touched a flight sim before, but some have now tried 2020 or 2024, just because it’s so easy for them to do so. With the overall growth of gaming, I imagine the numbers will continue to rise in general, even after the initial peak on launch.

The number of ‘simmers’ will remain fairly constant meanwhile. Some will move on, but some new players will fall in love and stay. But we are now a smaller proportion of the total audience than ever before.

For ‘gamers’, I feel a large number of the bugs/omissions wouldn’t be apparent to them, so they would enjoy the experience more than a simmer. If you don’t know much about aircraft, systems, ATC, airport usage etc. you won’t be impacted by stuff that doesn’t work correctly. Only a game crash or mission glitch would ruin your day.

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The passion for flight is a bug! You either have it or you don’t. I’ve got the bug for over 25 yrs now!

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Just thought I’d throw RSR’s own words back to you, since you clearly thought we were being ‘negative’. ie - SU1 doesn’t even seem to address the main blockers of PMDG’s issues of getting their planes in the sim.

Posted today (Jan 24)

MSFS 2024 SU1 Public Beta Has Released:
This happened later in the afternoon Thursday and we have not had an opportunity to evaluate it fully as of this writing. We will be spending time with it on Friday. There are a handful of full-stop-blockers that we have reported to Asobo since the release of MSFS 2024 and they have reported back to us through that reporting process that each of these has been cured, HOWEVER (and this is important) they have not told us that all of those fixes are included in SU1. We are watching the change list and do not see any of the items listed, but given that this is a public beta we anticipate both the build and the list are still quite dynamic and the only way to really validate what we want to know is to dive into the sim.

We’ll share more news as we have it- but I want everyone to remain cautious about irrational exuberance. Until we have 777 fully running in 2024 without any issues, we won’t be popping corks here at PMDG HQ.

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LMFO, he say is not fully test SU1 Beta build so 
 but yes main issue cause CTD is fix now 


If he reed SDK change log (is not same then Main Sim ) have alot of fix of WASM 


What he says, though: the release notes are incomplete and unusable. And you cant argue wirh that.

For Beta testing a full list of every change is essential.
Publishing an incomplete list of fixes, enhancements and changes is just unprofessional.

I would not expect a full ist to be part of the public announcement. But there should at least be a link to such a full list.

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LMFO, he state is not tested SU1 
 PMDG complain alot for nothing,

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Yes. He states he has to test it and find out himself what is actually included in SU1 because the release notes do not cover any of the changes he discussed with the SDK team.

I am not defending PMDG. I am not using their aircraft for several yeats now.

But the core message is: there is no proper documentation of what is in SU1.

So EVERY developer has to jump into cold water and tey to find out themselves if it covers what they need.

And if an addon works, they dont know why. So they also cannot know if it might break something else. They have to guess. Thats not good. Not good for them and not good for us either.

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No, look at the research numbers. FS 2024 is in front of MSFS 2020 in regards of being used. I myself use MSFS 2024 in 80 % of my simming, the 20 % of using MSFS 2020 are only to be able tu fly my PMDG 737s.

What are these research numbers and where can we see them?

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Yes, I’d be interested in seeing that data as well.