the live weather in the sim now is far from what was being advertised, that’s a fact
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As you say, all the realistic features in Live Weather are missing (after all we are all alpha-testers, aren’t we?) it’s such a huge disappointment, nothing is simulated… TS are just cosmetic, turbulence in clouds/CB: a joke, any danger in the skies and so on as you did mentionned. Anyway, it’s factual which makes msfs 2024 a pure arcade game so far, the live weather is a copy/paste from 2020, i second that…
it’s a shame and we paid for that shame based on big time promises/advertisings and trust… it is cynical, period.
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This is completely wrong. Already at the Grand Canyon event they announced that a completely new turbulence/weather effect model would come at a later stage and except wake turbulence not much would would be different from 2020 in that respect at release.
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The Xbox. It’s an Xbox game first and foremost, and every nerf of any decent ‘feature’ along the way is proof of this. E.g. VR is not on Xbox, so VR gets little no zero resources to make it the engrossing and smooth experience it could be. Majority of xbox users care not for live weather or flight dynamics.
Jorg got MS their cashcow but we have yet to see the product he promises every time he talks.
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I would love to have your faith my friend (no kidding) because this is my biggest wish seriously. But you may not notice that it is the same promises that were put on the table for SU12 msfs 2020 which you can still check online Q&A (“realistic turbulence/effect model, new turbulence in clouds”, “new thermals model”)
Well it never happened, what do you think about that? if it is wrong how do you call it if it is not a copy/paste from 2020 and on top of that a copy/paste of the same rethoric?
Just check it out online, it is not my words that are important here, just the reality that it was planned for SU12 msfs 2020, and by the way we still have the several topics here about lIve Weather (icing conditions/thermals/turbulence in clouds/clouds density/TS etc, read how we were happy to hear that it will come for SU12… Internet has a better memory than human beings so the statement is not wrong but based on facts.
Now of course I wish that the new turbulence weather effect will come, but again watch the video/interview just before the released date there is a quick interview online from one of the Asobo’s team who cleary say : "Now in msfs 2024 we have a new turbulence weather, you can be tossed in Thunderstorm etc " and so on so please if you now find a TS where lethal up/downdraft, severe turbulence can break your airplane or have effects/impact on the envelope of your bird show us but you won’t find those realistic features that were supposed to be implemented in msfs 2024 (not based on our wishes but based on explicit words from Asobo) again just a simple copy/paste from SU12 Q&A … (My words who cares, but I can share the youtube videos here, recent interview from Asobo, influencers who cleary say that the new turbulence weather is already implemented and even share the Q&A from SU12) Facts are different from blabla and opinions i guess.
In the real life, it will drop my trust… Online it is another business, we are alpha-testers as we’ve already mentioned. Now I wish the same as you, as many others that the sacrosanct New Turbulence Weather will finally land on MSFS 2024 like a messy who where expected to come since years based on promises… and then it will be factual and we will share our joy together 
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Yes, there clearly is a pattern when it comes to the communication regarding Live weather. In addition to your assessment I’d like to add mine (not new, mere copy & paste from other threads some time ago):
In Sept. '21 (Q&A from Sept. 29) Jorg Neumann said: Weather for us is a Big Deal. It is something we are heavily, heavily investing in. I think with Meteoblue we have a great partner. Late this year you will get this first Update (remark: SU7), we’re planning on another which will be really awesome when it happens. It will probably be in 2022, it could be as late as 2023. Weather is one of those things. It’s where planes live, it’s got to be awesome. We will get it as good as you can get it. That is really the goal.
The further update never happened. Instead it took them until 2023 to get LiveWeather back to reasonable (without TCU everywhere) after SU7. However, back in Nov. 2022 he announced talks with Meteoblue about data resolution (snow coverage!), WXradar API and “future features” and promised to inform about the outcome in early 2023 - which also never happened.
Instead the Q&A in May '23 delivered some vague statements hinting at opening the weather API for third parties, which was sacrosanct from the beginning and sure enough also didn’t happen. Then the announcement of “uncanned” tornadoes in MSFS 2024 shortly after that. Jumped like a tiger, landed like a bedspread.
Given the amount of work obviously required to bring MSFS2024 to a level that even remotely meets expectations, it is highly unlikely that Live Weather’s side role will change any time soon. That would require a departure from the principle of “more of the same” (more planes, scenery, content), and that unfortunately seems unrealistic to me.
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Thank you for bringing that out: clear words and promises/quotes from @Jorg Neumann, same for Seb, you’re right I forgot that they already had started promising stuff & features for SU7!!! … “straight in the eyes” almost like promises of politicians!
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You precisely quoted their words which obviously shows again that it never happened so far in our real dimension, fact! That also shows loudly the copy/paste rethoric/advertisings/marketing!
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By the way, somehow, they have guts to act like that to their customers! 
Anyway, nothing to add, your honor.
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Not for me. The cloud formations and lighting you can arrange is near perfect with msfs 2024.
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But certainly not with Live weather or I have a different sense of reality !
To be honest - in the beginning I was very positive - but now after a few longer flights with the Fenix I come to the following conclusion!
Again, sorry to say this - it’s probably not fair - but we seem to have been pretty, well how can I put this, fooled ! (to put it a bit harshly)
Actually, what we have here is a MSFS2020 with raytracing and a career mode.
Why do I say that, because:
The same “bugs” (at least for me the weather looks the same as MSFS2020 since the 2nd update, so I don’t notice any difference except for the sporadic cirrus clouds).
Flying in the weather is still not really dangerous, no real weather radar.
The live traffic has the same bugs, the number of liveries is still very low, and they have now turned the options so that you can’t change anything separately. (e.g. to separately activate/deactivate live traffic ships from flight traffic, of course via indirect routes, but then I constantly get the message ‘error loading live traffic’, or parking aicraft - yes you can disable them but with the whole airport traffic !
“Nice” water masks are still only available in the Caribbean, DX12 is apparently now standard but just as ‘buggy’ - as you can see from various messages (VRAM troubles, stuttering at large airports), sound dropouts, even more online enforcement, although completely unnecessary for PC players (we have enough space)…and and and…, the list would be even longer now, but I’ll leave it at that
What have they actually been doing for 3 years?
We were sold this as the new one - as I said, it could just as easily have been a DLC with career mode, with all planes, not free of course.
Again - I don’t want to do anyone wrong, but as a (big) MSFS fan I have to say this - I’m a bit disappointed.
Even before the release, things were said - which actually aren’t really true - like said above regarding the weather - so I would like to see some clarification from Asobo!
Anyway, maybe I’m being a bit too “harsh”, but I think I’m not alone in thinking like that!
BR !
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I’ve also realised all the hype built up before the release, the interviews with Jorg and the devs, the events they did at the Grand Canyon, the trailer etc it was all smoke and mirrors. I actually feel like I’ve been conned, like I’ve been a victim of some scam and convinced to buy a product that is nothing like it was advertised to be. It’s weird because in this industry they seem to just get away with it with no accountability.
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I show two screenshots in msfs 2024.
I remember, IR, clouds did look like this. Maybe not in UTAH (my fault)
Bye, good luck, walter
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Excellent also in live weather !
Here a screenshot in msfs 2024 from today at about 16 p.m. over Southhampton and at sunset.
The scenery does not differ from what I see in real flying.
One big improvement in ms 2024 is the use of color -, hue- , saturation- gradients for the sky. I don’t know if msfs 2020 has it too.
I dont use msfs 2020 any longer.
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Anyone else seeing sudden changes in clouds right in front of them. You will be heading towards one and whoosh it’s gone or changed /morphed into something different in about 2 seconds. It’s like we have the old fs2020 metar blending bug back again where things change without decent blending when you hit a new metar source. It can be a bit distracting.
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I see tremendous variability in the realism in the live weather clouds in 2024. Sometimes they are excellent, other times they are odd:
and other times, just bad:
These were both taken with, in the graphics settings, volumetric clouds set at “Ultra”.
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That’s exactly how I’d describe them - a mix of really nice but sometimes meh.
I too have clouds set to Ultra.
It led me to think that maybe they were being streamed too, but I’m not sure if cloud rendering is streamed or done locally.
It took a long time to get clouds and weather acceptable in fs2020, but they got there in the end. Not sure about the mixed bag of clouds in fs2024 yet, seems like it’s the least of the issues people are having with the sim right now though.
Of course they look good, even if it is probably true that the forecast has the upper hand or whatever. This is not about individual moments that are partially true and look good, but about other problems - it was also mentioned above!
The problem is, as I said several times already (and it is also noted as “bug-logged”), that under certain circumstances (or if the data METAR/forecast or whatever does not match) a pretty muddy mess comes out, but not always and by that I meant “the bugs has remained the same” !
But only those who used MSFS before SU6/7 (and like the weather) understand it, so such explanations are unnecessary and I’m already tired of explaining it.
But thanks for the screenshots anyway!
BR
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Yes, I encounter this phenomenon to a greater or lesser extent every time I fly.
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Example now - at night so you can’t see anything on the screenshots - low level clouds with a high overcast layer - very well visualised, turbulent weather - countercheck RW - Weather - should be the same, but I use RealTurbulence CAT - but the clouds are unfortunately transparent from above, as if taken away from the density again !
At night the clouds are almost always transparent or is it just me ? otherwise I’ll make a bugreport !
EDIT:
but apparently there are already some reports in MSFS 2020 about transparent clouds - so again the same ‘bug’ !
@Pacific181 - take a quick look - this means before SU5:
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/non-metar-area-weather-systems-storms-missing-guts-of-clouds/532217/10?u=arniex78
the weather was more varied back then, not this cumulus mix all the time
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They do not want the clouds to be like clouds, they want everyone to be able to see the ground no matter what, so their beautiful world scenery can be consumed. Its just a bing map game.
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I agree.
I’m not disputing that they have done a great job in visualizing the earth’s surface, but when the last blade of grass and stone is more important than the weather in a FLIGHT simulator, it raises questions…
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