LNAV/VNAV Vs. LNAV

Good evening forum,

Since I have been learning the G1000, I noticed on a few video’s where people would input the DA/MDA and where to find that on the approach plate.

I understand what it is, what it means, where it find it and how to enter it but I was confused as to the different alititudes displayed and verbiage (DA/MDA) based on LNAV/VNAV or LNAV.

After a bunch more reasearch (which lead to some contradictions), I think I have an understanding and just want to be sure I am getting this correct.

LNAV/VNAV is a GPS Approach which also has vertical guidance (Like a GPS version of an ILS approach) but driven by the BARO settings.

LNAV is the simplier form in which you would step the aircraft down yourself to the required altitudes at each way point. Kind of like a VOR approach.

Both of which are considered “RNAV” approaches.

Did I get this right?

Thanks.

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Yep, pretty much.

They are both non-precision approaches, so both minimums will be MDAs. Sometimes, the LNAV Only approach will have lower minimums than the LNAV/VNAV.

The LPV approach will have a DA. The main difference between MDA and DA is that with a DA, as soon as you get to that altitude, if you don’t have any lights, you must go around. With an MDA, you can hang out at that altitude until the actual missed approach point, which is associated with some kind of ground based/gps waypoint.

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Ah okay, that makes sense (for the most part).

So in this example.

If flying the LNAV/VNAV approach the DA would be 460’ if I don’t have lights once I hit that I bail out and fly the missed approach.

If I was flying LNAV the MDA is 580 and I could hold that altitude to the runway threshold and if no lights fly the missed approach? (I’m assuming that’s what the M stands for with the arrowing going up for the missed approach?)

Thanks.

Yep that’s it. Huh, I forgot that LNAV/VNAV mins are a DA…lol. Now I know! Thanks.

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Thank you for the link!

I’ll give it a read this evening.

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Excellent discussion, I sort of knew this stuff, but never fly RNAV since I always like the ILS Control Approach. It makes a difference I fly either the 747/787/C-17 and as such heavy large aircraft, not to be jockeying around the sky easy. The TBM plane would be excellent to practice this type of approach in, plenty of power if TOGO is happening, and yet good field of view as well, and response in the controls.

LNAV is lateral navigation. It is not a function that provides vertical guidance. It is what follows the route. VNAV is vertical navigation and involves that profile which would include altitude restricted waypoints.

Here is a quick and simple video to understand better all kind of approaches and equipment needed for various aircraft.

I hope this helps more.

Definitions

First of all some definitions:

ABAS = Aircraft Based Augmentation System
APV = Approach with Vertical Guidance
BRNAV = Basic RNAV (RNAV 5)
CDFA = Continuous Descent Final Approach
GBAS = Ground Based Augmentation System
GLS = GPS Landing System
GPS = Global Positioning System
ILS = Instrument Landing System
LNAV = Lateral Navigation
LOC = Localizer
LP = Localizer Performance
LPV = Localizer Performance with Vertical Guidance
MDA = Minimum Descent Altitude
MLS = Microwave Landing System
NDB = Non-directional Beacon
NPA = Non-Precision Approach
SBAS = Satellite Based Augmentation System
SRA = Surveillance Radar Approach
PA = Precision Approach
RNAV = Area Navigation
RNP = Required Navigation Performance
VNAV = Vertical Navigation
VOR = VHF Omnidirectional Radio Range

ICAO Approach Classifications

In the basis ICAO has prescribed 2 types of approaches, one type with minima of 250ft or higher (further divided into Non-Precision Approach (NPA) and Approach with Vertical Guidance (APV)) and approaches with a minima below 250 ft (Precision Approaches ¶). In the diagram below you can see the different approach categories, conventional procedures, RNP approach procedures, RNP AR (approval required), and GLS (GPS Landing System).

RNP Approaches

All approaches are labelled RNP nowadays, the only real difference between RNP and RNAV is that for RNP there must be a alerting system available, warning the pilots in case of loss of RAIM (Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring), loss of position (FMS in dead-reckoning mode) or Actual Navigation Performance (ANP) exceeding the Required Navigation Performance (RNP). Otherwise the meaning is the same, RNP 5 or RNAV 5 (also called BRNAV) means that the Total System Error (TSE) should be less than the RNP number (example RNAV / RNP 5 = 5 nm) for 95% of the flight time. Usually en-route = RNP 5, terminal operations = RNP 1, approach = RNP 0.3.

Minima

Be aware that the DA/H on a LNAV or LP approach is actually a MDA/H, Jeppesen publishes these minima as DA/H (at least in Europe) but those have no margin built in for altitude loss in case of go-around so you have to make the decision above this DA/H, we add +30 ft for turboprops in our fleet and +50 ft for jets. For bigger aircraft its probably more but its up to the operator to establish those. The reason for this has to do with history. Non-precision approaches are conventionally flown as non-CDFA (Continuous Descent Final Approach) meaning that an aircraft would descent to the MDA/H, level-off, fly level to the missed-approach point (MAPt) and then decide whether to land or go-around.

CDFA

Nowadays most NPA approaches are flown as CDFA approaches but the requirements for minima on those approaches have not changed. No matter what the chart manufacturer calls those, they are in fact MDA/H, in other words you are not allowed to descent below that altitude so you need to make the decision before passing the MDA/H. You can create a pilot derived DA/H by adding a margin for decision making and altitude loss in case of go-around (the +30/50 ft addition as described above).

Here is an example of an old non-CDFA approach. This is how non-precision approaches were conventionally flown, you can imagine that this isn’t the preferred method of flying an approach with a Boeing 747, flying level at a few hundred feet with flaps and gear out… That is why this approach is not authorized for Cat C & D. Also note that the missed-approach point (MAPt) is passed the runway! In other words, the aircraft is in no position to land when becoming visual at the MAPt.

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LNAV / VNAV is not a Non-Precision Approach, its a Approach with Vertical Guidance (APV). LNAV / VNAV and LPV approaches have DA/H, LNAV and LP approaches have MDA/H. That is why your LNAV or LP minima can sometimes be lower than the LNAV / VNAV or LPV minima.

Not 100% accurate unfortunately. For example RNAV-5 or RNP-5 both indicate that the Total System Error (TSE) should be not more than the RNAV/RNP number (example RNAV/RNP 5 = 5 nm) for 95% of the flight time. The only difference between RNAV and RNP in that sense is performance monitoring and crew alerting. For RNAV IRS can be used but also DME-DME, VOR-DME or GPS. RNP is only GPS based. LPV approach with a minima below 250 ft is considered as a precision approach, not APV.

Can I ask a question. In order for LPV to initiate, do you have to bel following the magenta line?

LPV is usually flown on autopilot, the autopilot will be flying the magenta line obviously. Autoland is not possible from LPV so autopilot needs to be disconnected at minima. Approach needs to start 2 nm from the FAF for the FMS to change to approach mode (RNP 0.3), depending on the system a green APPR is shown on the display. How to select type of RNP approach (LNAV, LNAV/VNAV, LP or LPV approach) this depends on the system.

Edit: Autopilot is not required.

There’s no reason at all that an LPV approach needs to be flown on autopilot, or even with a flight director. Plenty of aircraft that don’t even have either of those systems are certified for RNAV/LPV procedures. There’s no reason you can’t handfly them.

You are right. I guess it is depending on aircraft type and operator.

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