First off… SOOOOO excited to start playing this sim, I haven’t played MSFS since is was 12 in 1988 on my Franklin 486, I was so inept I at basic flying and navigation concepts I could never find the runway again
So, for the release of FS2020, I had to get a new computer with GPU - because my work computer, HP all-in-one wouldn’t cut it, so I ordered a Acer Predator Orion 3000 Intel i7-9700K 3.6GHz 16GB Ram 1TB HDD + 256GB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080, the Honeycomb alpha and bravo flight controls but I am stuck on the monitor.
This rig has to do double duty at my home office as work computer (reading blueprints) by day, and flight sim’ing by night. I was immediately drawn to the Samsung 43" CJ890 Super Ultra-Wide Curved Monitor (HDMI), I think they refer to it more as a display monitor, and the size both horizontal but especially vertical looks perfect for reading full size (36"x24") doc’s and with a 144Hz I thought it would be the perfect size, without being too large. But I am wondering if the 5 millisecond refresh rate is going to slow it down and I should have got the Samsung - CHG9 Series C49HG90DMN 49" HDR instead? I wanted to keep it below $800, sure there are options 2x my budget I would love that do everything in spades, but is my compromise going to bite me in the end?
I’m a complete noob when it comes to PC’s and hardware, I am learning as I go, simply so I can play this sim, it means that much to me… its nostalgic for all the right reasons and at 44 yrs old, I can’t remember being this excited in a long time, so any help or recommendations are appreciated, thank you so much!
no, response rate is simply how fast the pixels change colours. The higher the response rate, the more ghosting effect you’ll see where the pixels are still retaining the old colours, while the monitor already pushing the new colour to the pixel.
A typical monitor uses 10ms response rate. So with 5ms it’s good enough. Besides, you are using the monitor both for working as well as flight sim, yes? Where even if the monitor has 144Hz, you’ll be outputting between 30-60 fps anyway. And since you’re playing flight simulator, a lot of the images are shown in a slow moving movement. low response rate is good for competitive FPS games where you need fast movements at 144 FPS or more to be shown clearly for each pixel.
For flight sim, those response rate will be negligible.
Ultrawide is nice for both flight sim or working too, so it’s a good choice.
If you want the HDR is even better as the full colour spectrum and dynamic range will pop out very well. so either monitor are good choices.
Thank you so much for the quick and informative reply Neo! I’m just so excited, but at the same time, the more instructional tutorials I watch on ILS approaches and G1000 autopilot, I feel overwhelmed as well. I have been over-thinking the “correct” set up for this sim for months now, I need to remember to relax and just have fun with it… Thanks again Neo, I truly appreciate your time and knowledge
All your specs look great but I suggest you think about adding another 16gb ram to the system. Seems 32 gigs may be the sweet spot, and should be a pretty cheap addition, yet significant.
Good luck with the monitor!
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Agreed, 32GB is the way to go. But If the game fits on the 256 GB SSD, go for it, otherwise, I suggest you add more into the SSD. I’m using Samsung 970 Pro M.2 SSD, and it’s still loading quite some time. If you put this sim to HDD, it’s gonna be really slow.
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Right about that – a 500 gig M2 nvme SSD [which the rig can take] just for MSFS and addons would be great. Leave the OS and everything else on the HDD.
Good luck.
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Wow! This is all super helpful, but I would be lying if I didn’t say some of this jargon is going a little over my head at this point. I’m taking all your advice, writing it down and I’ll take my new computer when it gets here next week down to this local computer repair shop (not a big box store) and address the ram and SSD shortcomings. Thank you Wobbly and Neo!
So, to kind of quickly elaborate on your original question of Hz & Response times. Shoot for a monitor with 5ms or less response time. Playing on 144hz with flight simulators isn’t going to benefit you much, you aren’t able to sync your framerates that high and thus won’t see that “buttery smooth” effect when in-game per se. The higher hertz monitor you go for, the lower response time you’ll need to avoid a ghosting effect. Anything above 144hz will need sub 3-4ms response times to really eliminate a ghosting effect. I suggest ensuring you are able to utilize a DisplayPort connection rather than HDMI. This will ensure you’re getting the most of your monitor - especially as you’re not going to be playing MSFS constantly! All the best
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Hey… I never said I wouldn’t be playing MSFS constantly
Thanks for the advice, I wasn’t aware of the difference, let alone the benefit of a “display” port until you mentioned it. I still thought HDMI inputs/ cables were the cats pajamas! So I looked up my PC (still in transit) specs, and I it claims 3 display ports and the monitor does have 1 display port as well. I’ll get a cable on the way, thank you!
I was surprised at the prices when I went monitor shopping… sure, my no compromises dream monitor is an UltraGear 38" IPS LED UltraWide HD G-SYNC Monitor, but it was twice what I could stomach spending all at once to get started. I had to build a system I could justify to myself and my 2 young daughters, but I figure we are going to spend more time inside this winter than we are used too, and they are also excited to learn to fly on the sim.
Thank you again!
All - Please note some observations I have found.
- Samsung in some reviews have been less than helpful in resolving issues regarding the region of white showing around the frame of the monitor, and dead pixels. Be aware of this, and buy from reputable retailer who will either replace it with a new one, or allow a return of defective unit. Make sure they give you at least 30 days to make sure it is correct, and up to 6 months for a replacement without a “refreshed unit”.
- ASUS monitors have reviewed well, several YouTube reviews on it, check them out. There 49" monitor is over a year old now, which is getting long in the tooth, so deals can be made on it.
Like you the refresh rate, etc. is confusing, I want new monitor as well, for second PC which I need to work on, and to play this SIM, when dual monitor supports is built into it. I currently have 32" curved Samsung, it’s been fine, i.e., LC32F397FWNXZA. at 1920x1080. Also I have to zoom in the sim to sometimes see the controls, as I sit about 2 feet away from it now. Higher resolution will make the controls clearer, but not any closer, so again, might have to zoom into it to see it clearly enough to play game.
However, not sure if hooking up two different brands/specifications of monitor to my Laptop will cause issues. So think I will need to opt for one larger one, and use the old one for the PC which needs work. In many multi-monitor setups, assuming, all of them the specifications are the same. Since dual monitor support is way off into 2021, and the sim is buggy now, not in big hurry and believe many newer higher powered monitors are going to hit street. Even if I won’t use 4K, the prices of those are going to come down, and jumping into that resolution won’t hurt. My video card can run that easy (RTX-2070). I currently plug into HDMI port on PC, but use hub for other devices, it supports three HDMI monitors provided I power the thing. I have NOT tested two monitors out of the hub, as need second one. I could tell no difference using this monitor out of the HUB with no power. The hub does plug into the USB-C port for it’s connection to PC. Hopefully by next year, the Hardware of this unit will still be current enough to do Dual Monitors/Multi Monitor setup.
One more thing, regardless of what you get tomorrow, the next day something better will be announced or released, be aware of that fact.
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I would also add HDR10 capability to your monitor specs if it’s not already on your list. MFS looks so much nicer with HDR on my monitor.
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Congratulations on your new computer/monitor setup. I too have purchased a new Samsung curved screen monitor and wondered if it would be right for MSFS since it was a bargain buy without the high refresh rate and very low response time, and the replies to this thread are comforting. It sounds like your setup will do very well.
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All - Dual (multi) monitors won’t be available for a while yet. And or course I got to thinking, so here are my questions.
- If I have two (or more) monitors hooked up to laptop, one through HDMI and the other through a USB-C powered hub with HDMI out, do they need to have the same Hz and resolution, i.e., 1920x1080 as example? Obviously the newer one will be 4K, and the VC specifications says it can handle this.
- If I can have two different ones with different specifications, how will the RTX-2070 send signal to them. Assuming here, the video output is the same and the monitor decodes and displays the signal based on it’s resolution, but not sure.
- If I use two curved monitors next to each other one 32, and the second larger in width (ASUS 49") for example, the height of each is different, is that going to cause eye issues or vertigo possibly?
- Should I not put them side by side but have the larger one in front and the 32" (older by couple years) off to the side and put the little boxes on it, so visual effects are not affecting me?
This is confusing to me and suspect lots of folks, so Please when answering try to keep it in terms my idiot brain can assimilate.
Hi - how are you liking the Samsung C49HG90DMN so far?