MSFS 2024 experiences with RTX 4080 video card, ultra settings
Hello,
I would like to ask for help, advice. I currently have a computer with the following hardware:
Asus Prime Z690-P D4
Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6GHz (s1700)
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 CPU
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA
Corsair 32GB /3600 Vengeance RGB PRO Black DDR4 RAM KIT (2x16GB)
Samsung 1TB 980 Pro M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
Seasonic 850W Focus GX 80+ Gold
I usually fly helicopters for photogrammetry over cities, dense forest areas, at low altitudes. A few meters above the ground or buildings. Unfortunately, with my current PC configuration, 4K, ULTRA settings, TLOD 200, OLOD 200 at low altitude, the FPS drops to 22-30 FPS and it stutters terribly.
Iâm planning to buy a computer because the performance of my current PC is not good enough.
I want an Nvidia RTX 4080 video card, with an Intel 14700KF CPU.
If anyone has a similar computer, could you do some tests, with 4K, ULTRA settings, TLOD 200, OLOD200 values, flying at low altitude, over dense forests, photogrammetry areas, what FPS values do you get, and how smooth the running is?
I bet your eyes wouldnât know the difference between 4k and 2k. Iâve got a 4070 and can do 2k ultra easily, 4k at ultra is always pushing it. Maybe a 4090?
I dont play this game anymore, but I have a 14700K and 4080S and spent way too much time tweaking everything trying to get it run smoothly. I would not be able to play on Ultra with TLOD OLOD at 200. But it depends on too many other factors as well. On my system a medium/high and TLOD OLOD 100 was OK (not using any upscalers or AI voodoo). I locked my frames to 50 (I find fps below 40 to be unbearable).
I am shocked that MSFS 2024 is so poorly optimized. It is sad that the RTX4080 SUPER video card is not capable of 4K resolution, ultra settings with a suitable processor.
I will not buy a video card or processor at the same time. I am waiting for them to optimize the simulator. I would like to use the MSFS2024 simulator with 4K resolution, Ultra settings, but this is not possible.
I have a i9-14900KF and 4080 super and my performance in 4K with most settings on Ultra is good. I have TLOD and OLOD set at 200. I have texture resolution and trees set to high. Everything else is set to Ultra.
I use TAA and limit my frame rates to 30FPS but with Vsync off I do way better. With DLSS on Auto, and FG enabled I get 100+ FPS flying over NYC.
Are you using any upscaling when you are getting 20-30 fps?
I have a 4080S and 9800x3D and play in 4K TAA, mostly ultra settings (only 150 TLOD though, havenât tried 200 except to test and I couldnât really tell the difference). This gets me a range between 35-55 fps, using TAA. If I use DLSS Quality, I get 60 FPS all the time (limited by my monitorâs refresh rate of 60Hz).
I canât tell the difference between DLSS Quality and TAA, except in very specific circumstances. If I had to do a blind test between the two unless I was looking at certain instruments or bodies of water in certain lighting I would never be able to identify which was which. Same goes for ultra and high, and TLOD 200 and 150.
I donât know much about the 12700, but I wonder if thatâs holding you back more than the 3080Ti. I donât get any stuttering at all, ever since they fixed that bug that was causing stuttering for everyone. Iâm interested to know what your performance is like if you use DLSS Quality and scale back the TLOD. Reducing the strain on your CPU may reduce the stuttering.
It is true what the others have said, that a 4090 or above is the way to go if you want to run the sim the way you describe. But I also think if you didnât tell someone what the settings were theyâd be really hard pressed to tell the difference between 150 and 200 unless they were right next to each other, and even then only in certain terrain (like a big city with a lot of suburban buildings). At least where I am, right now a 4080 costs twice as much as what I paid for mine last year, and a 5080 and 5090 costs way more than that. Unless I had unlimited budget, I would not deem the visual improvement to be worth it.
Yes, this is a very demanding use case. I would recommend to turn on the simâs fps window (Graphic settings->Advanced->deveoper mode on, then click on the debug drop down menu at the top left of your screen and turn on the fps window). Then do a low level flight and take a couple of screen shots and post it here. This will tell you what your current limiting factor is - your cpu or gpu.
TBH donât invest in a 16GB GPU, itâs too low for MSFS2024 @ 4K and not future proof.
To archive âsolidâ 60 fps I need to run frame gen with my 4080, which maxes out the VRAM everywhere. Even when itâs not full, itâs not a great experience - since Iâm used to have around 100 FPS in MSFS2020 with the same settings. I have to use DLSS in MSFS2024 which sucks for glass cockpits. The only suitable GPU for MSFS2024 is a RTX4090, RTX5090 or a future RTX5080 âTiâ with 24GB VRAM. AMD would be great, but since FSR3 frame gen is not supported - not an option.
Just for kicks, I did a quick test at the Grand Canyon using the R66. With TAA enabled I managed 45fps. With DLSS enabled on auto with FG on I was getting 90 to 110fps depending on tree density and external vs internal view and it was smooth as silk.
Keep in mind I have a i9-14900KF and 4080 super. I donât know how much improvement you would see with a 4080 and your processor.
As far as the resolution, with 2k it shows both the cpu/gpu pretty much maxed out at 31.1ms/28.0ms frame times (both yellow) but both still relatively balanced. With 4k, both are totally maxed out at 34.4ms/32.0ms (in red) but again pretty much balanced out. If you were to go to a higher altitude youâd most likely see the cpu frame time improve over the gpu in both cases and the gpu would be the limiting factor. Ideally, you want the cpu/gpu frame times balanced but under 20ms. Upgrading either the cpu or gpu with your current PC would really not yield any meaningful improvements.
Interestingly, both screenshots show a rather high internet usage at 41/53Mbps so Iâm assuming you have a good high speed internet connection.
It appears that the peak memory used is 27-28GB so with 32GB total youâre performance is probably being impacted somewhat. The next PC you get you definitely want 64GB of memory. Also, youâre right on the edge of overflowing Vram however MSFS 2024 seems to be managing it very well by just staying under your 12GB physical capacity for the 3080 Ti. Given your use case of going low and slow over dense scenery youâll want as much Vram as you can afford. A 4080/5080 with 16GB of Vram should be ok and once MS/Asobo fixes their Vram issue in SU2 you should not see any Vram issues pop up. A gpu with 24GB obviously would be ideal.
I would recommend a 9800x3d as this is one of the best gaming cpuâs (and I just canât recommend Intel cpuâs given their recent history). A 4080 would work but if you can get a 5080 for about the same price I would do that. Itâs really crazy now with high end gpuâs as both Nvidia and AMD are introducing next generation models and working through some bumps in the road (see this youtube video). In turn, this is making their previous models very scarce.
Have you compared RAM usage with task manager? Itâs always lower in task manager.
Regarding Intel CPUâs, I understand the hesitation to recommend them and am fully aware of the issues they were having. As you are aware a bios update fixes the issue. However my CPU does consume more power than AMD and runs slightly warmer. But it is a powerhouse.
The reason I went that route is because I got a very good deal on an Alienware R16 and Dell no longer uses AMD CPUâs. I am very happy with it for the price I paid.
To preface: I have generally been a staunch supporter of the franchise. And I am emphatically not one of the vitriolic haters on the forum. Quite the opposite: I might almost be considered a bit of a rose tinted glasses guy when it comes to the sim. Always have been, even with 2020.
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That might be the practical reality, but this is still not the official requirement as far as I could see. On the MSFS2024 FAQ page it still shows the ideal spec as:
I really, really do not think expecting the sim to run well at 4K all Ultra with what they call the âIdeal Specâ is unreasonable.
And yetâŠ
With a 9800X3D and an RTX4080 Super with 16GB of VRAM, I STILL get stutters and I STILL run out of VRAM at some places, even with the settings dialed back slightly.
Not saying anything new and I generally have a very good experience. But it still annoys me. Keeping my fingers crossed for SU2 to improve these issues but I must admit my confidence level is not very high.
4K monitor resolution in NvCP (single monitor)
DLSS Quality
I found this very helpful to help dial in my graphics settings.
I set my LOD settings a bit higher (150/200)
I turn Anti-Aliasing OFF in the sim and set it to 16X in the NvCP
I set Clouds to Ultra.
But most of my settings match the âOptimalâ settings in the page at the end.
Whatâs funny about the ideal specs is they have the 4080 listed as having 12gbâs of Vram.
I do get stutters but itâs random and intermittent. I havenât run out of Vram lately but I donât use any 3rd party addons that might use a lot of Vram.
