Yes, I’m one of them. And have. Although, technically I do what I choose to do because I love it, unfortunately sometimes to the detriment of my life and health. So, I wouldn’t say I do anything for the sake of my reputation, but I do expect of myself to do what I say I’m going to do. And I do often work for free. But whether I’m paid or not, I finish what I start and expect it to meet the expectations I set out at the start.
This developer, from everything I’ve seen from him over the years, my perception is that he’s very sloppy, and seems to never finish anything. So, when I see a product of his announced, my immediate response is “no thank you”.
I disagree and I honestly belive that almost every single person here, that owns their own business would have worked at least once for “free” to build their business, make sacrifices here and there to grow…
If you made a mistake, like made the wrong size kitchen that was out by 20mm (asobos atr) you definitely worked for free to fix that mistake.. Not do it and thats your whole livelihood gone..
Then the countless hours doing ones tax and invoices…
Look at JF BAe146… how many updates have been done including effectively two full rebuilds… That was all done for “free”
Like I say…
Everyone on this site like literally almost every single working person has definitely worked at least one hour for free in their working lifetime.
Especially in the corporate world…
Reading emails on the work phone during the weekend.. (thats work) staying up late when your on a salary to get that deal done or get on top of paperwork…(thats essentially working for free)
The big difference here is that if you are working for yourself, your own business, then surely it’s worthwhile investing some time and effort into your products and supporting them - it usually helps to gain customers.
But giving your time to aid someone else’s money-making activity - that’s donating your time. IMO I think it’s wishful thinking to expect many third party developers to carry on providing free updates/ support for a product they have sold to a purchaser under contract.
Yes we need updates and fixes to the ATR and MS/Asobo ought to fund that activity properly, else it will never happen, let alone in a timely manner. The ATR is supposed to be an “expert” product - whatever the definition, there is an implication that it’s in some way better than the “normal” stock aircraft. Whilst that - unfortunately- isn’t a very high bar to climb, it’s the reputation of MS/Asobo that is affected most by offering a product which includes many unfinished or sub-standard aircraft which appear to have been long forgotten. MSFS is their product, it’s their business, it’s their responsibility to properly fund the third party developers they use - relying on someone else’s “passion” to fund your own business isn’t a formula for success I’ve come across in the business world…
If I was a developer who was seriously developing an ATR I would’ve never abandoned developing. Unless they were not gonna match this expert level of course. Personally this whole circus and the Saab340 made me decide to never buy a MS/Asobo plane ever again. I’l happily support 3rd party devs who are committed to bringing us real expert level aircraft.
I certainly would pay more for Blackbird’s ATR. I find it interesting that Captain Sim released a C-130 (with an actual cockpit), which I admittedly don’t own, but which looks from reviews to be on par with a typical default MSFS aircraft, and yet that didn’t stop Blackbird from releasing their C-130. Maybe they have cause to believe that there’s a significantly larger customer base for a C-130 than an ATR, I don’t know. Meanwhile, Miltech and Simworks Studios both announced a Dash 8 just a few weeks apart.
There was a post by one of their members earlier on, with an estimate of how much they would be willing to sell the work they’ve done for - can’t find it anymore, but I remember it being in upper six digits
Not what I could afford but hey, the hobby has a lot of rich people surrounding it who may be willing to sink such a large sum (possibly twice over depending on how much still needed to be done)
Yes, already wrote a bug report for that. They made the crossflow white (can see it more clearly at night), should be green both ways. Switching on or off pumps won’t affect the flow lines, they should show crossflow when pulling fire handle only.
This is the sad thing though, if you take the effort already to model the flow lines and cross flow lines, why not do it correctly, it doesn’t require extra effort to make them green instead of white?
If you decide to model the engine fire handles, why make them pull and twist 90 degrees instead of just pull as in the real aircraft?
When deciding to the model cockpit door camera, why not model the correct video screen with it instead of displaying it on the MFD, you know, as in the real aircraft…
Why not use the correct DU size and placement right from the start, using the correct panel coloring and so on, and so on…
I think it is simply a lack of knowledge about the aircraft, and where gaps exist they just made stuff up. I can’t think of any other reason.
Bought the ATR on the release day, haven’t had a single non problematic flight. Career mode doesn’t even know that ATR even exists and does not find it even when properly installed. Quite an negative mood abt this
When it was initially announced for 2024, it was said to be career compatible but, unfortunately, arrived without that feature ready to go. Community managers informed us on launch day (in this very thread, I believe) that while it isn’t career compatible now, it will be coming in a future update.
Any source that claims it is currently career compatible should be considered unreliable.
Also why on Earth are the panel numbers illuminated? 133VM for example. Nothing in the cockpit is illuminated in cyan on the real aircraft, including the heading and course knobs.
of course. Personally this whole circus and the Saab340 made me decide to never buy a MS/Asobo plane ever again. I’l happily support 3rd party devs who are committed to bringing us real expert level aircraft.
