Yes it’s a PITA and the reason I don’t fly the default 172. You would think of all the flight models, they could get this one right. The 172 has been in MSFS for years.
Thats how the 172 flies, you often have to aplie a bit of right rudder to conteact the banking tendancy…thats how it is
I’m currently taking lessons in a 172 and I haven’t experienced that. I seldom touch the pedals after takeoff.
I’ve assigned a switch on my yoke for aileron trim, even though the 172 doesn’t have it, just so I don’t have to continually fight it.
I disagree. I have flown a lot of 172s in real life and once you get them up to cruise, and trimmed out, you can pretty much take your hands off the yoke and relax. They do not continually try and bank left.
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Yea, if your RL plane is constantly banking, someone in your FBO/School/Club has ignored the sign or note they all have that says, “only authorized personnel may adjust manual trim tabs on planes”!
Regards
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Agreed. Unless someone screwed with the rudder trim fin at the back. I don’t think the 172P has a rudder trim switch? You’re sure your controls are correct?
Are you flying solo in the left seat? Maybe you need a passenger in the right seat?
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Each 172 is different, the 172 has rudder trim metal piece that you have to bend maually on the ground, depending on how you bent it it will need more or less rudder. Next time take a look at how yours is set
A wheel to control rudder trim from the cockpit is optional equipment.
Default seems to be 20 for me and it spontaneously reverts to 20 in cruise.
because everyone, seem to agree, I just gave it a try ( Cessna 172 Classic in SU4 Beta), and I agree, the banking tandancy is a bit too strong, and when I applied right rudder like a wrote it started to fly a too uncoordinated
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I’m a 172 Flight instructor, and I have noticed a few “quirks” with the Asobo 172…. Speaking to the left rolling tenancy, it is slight, and it is there in the sim. Normally you would correct this by flying coordinated (ball in the center of the inclinometer) AND the manual rudder trim tab set correctly for type of flight (altitude and power setting). That being said, if you have a perfectly trimmed aircraft, you will always have to be making some flight adjustments (finger flying) to compensate for atmospheric conditions that you are flying.
I have also noted other inconsistencies within the Asobo model, specifically lack of aileron drag, incorrect Yawing moments when power applied/reduced, overly sensitive rudder controls, lack of ground effect (or incorrect physics), and incorrect spin characteristics.
A the end of the day, the 172 from Asobo is “good enough” for basic simulator training, and a good “proceedureal" trainer”. However, it needs alot of work to get it to more realistic model. MY wish is that A2A would commit to building one for 2024 (like they had for P3D/FSX).
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You may be joking, but I often run fuel primarily in the right side fuel tank as much as possible on these small planes unless using autopilot. Maybe it’s a placebo and the sim isn’t actually programmed to handle physics of an imbalance like that, but it does seem the left banking tenancy is reduced when flying like that.
They did seem to improve certain aspects of the C172 flight model ;-
I like that ground handling seems better in the C172. The plane does rock realistically slightly back and forth on the ground at high RPM settings, and when you are taxiing and turn the rudder too hard, it almost tips over at higher taxi speeds. This is all new and is a welcome addition.
There also seems to be less lag in the yoke being turned and the plane responding [ like the latest Sim Update 16 for FS2020 which seemed to really improve the sensitivity/ reactivity of yoke/ ruder inputs] .
Interestingly, Carenado’s version of the closely related but more powerful Cessna 182Q flies relatively stable, no banking tendency, and seems to have a much more realistic flight model.
But the C172 still seems very difficult to trim for level flight, seems to be very ‘ pitchy’ [has a tendency to always want to climb, or sink rather than stable trim] , and still has that left banking tendency.
Input from real C172 pilots regarding the above is appreciated! Years ago when i flew an actual C172 for an introductory flight [ actually was in New york around the World Trade Center buildings when they were still standing], i did not notice any left banking tendency.
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You can also find flight model mods (realism, enhancement…)
I know the ones from Canadian Captain Moustache an Mgouge425.
As community mods, you can always ask to correct wrong behaviors and suggest fixes if there are.
Here are a few parameters we can play with in the flight_model.cfg file, maybe someone could creat a mod
aileron_up_drag_scalar
aileron_down_drag_scalar
torque_on_roll
prop_moment_transfer_on_roll
I’m new to the sim, but a long time general aviation pilot . Wind does need to be corrected for. I would try to reduce turbulence in settings and turn live weather off and see if things smooth out.
Isn’t it more pronounced at high angles of attack when the rudder has less authority (eg, less ‘effective’ airflow’ ) ?
question, is this the 2020 or 2024 model (and then, which update).
(it has been been a hot min since I’ve flown, IRL and in Sim, but I’ve noticed that either the crosswind and/or the coefficient of friction is a bit zealous when taxiing)
Also when in level flight, PITCH (Yoke forward to suppress climb, and gain airspeed), POWER (Refer to POH to determine ideal RPM based upon barometric pressure altitude, ~2100-2300 rpm), TRIM (reduce’s the amount of forward/back pressure on the yoke, helps maintain the hands, believe me)