I bought this very kit from Microcenter…
Running 4x DDR5 sticks is a stability nightmare for both AMD and Intel. If you actually want 64+ GB, get 2x32 or 2x48 sticks as those will be significantly easier to stabilize at 6000+ MT/s than 4 sticks.
This is just wrong. Nonbinary DDR5 RAM kits have been out for the past 2 years or so, and come in 24 and 48 GB sticks.
Yes you do. i already use up to 38 in VR in 2020. Game plays also more fluent.
Recommended!!
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Thanks, I’ll probably look at upgrading my current 32Gb 6400 ram (2x16Gb) to 64Gb 6400 ram (2x32Gb) during next week’s Amazon Prime days sales (if any are on sale).
My Asus z790 carbon wifi6e supports at least 7000 speed ram but I’m not sure if this is worth the additional expense and/or if this wouldn’t be as stable. Currently my 6400 ram is very stable. Cheers.
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I agree. I put 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5-6400/CL32 RAM in my Gigabyte X670E AORUS Pro X, and I even tightened up some of the timings (per advice from the experts over at overclock.net) to get a little better performance. So far 100% stable.
That motherboard claims 8000 MT/s capable, but I didn’t want to go above 6400 in order to avoid altering the preferable 1:1 MCLK:UCLK ratio.
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Why are you considering upgrading your RAM to 64GB?
I had the chance to test two different models of G.Skill 2x32 GB RAM kits. I didn’t notice a significant improvement so I stick with 2x16 GB G.Skill. I should also mention that I don’t experience any stuttering while gaming.
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/32gb-vs-64gb-ram-experience/656398/41?u=tenpatrol
- Motherboard MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk WIFI
- PSU MSI MEG Ai1300P
- CPU Ryzen 7 8700X3D
- GPU RTX 4090 2K
- RAM 32GB (2x16) G.Skill
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Thanks for that mate. What speed ram were you using in both cases?
Earlier this year I upgraded my 32Gb (2x16Gb) 5400ram to 32Gb (2x16Gb) 6400ram. This was suggested by a PC tech friend who looked at the effect of ram speed vs performance/stability. He found that there was a 4-5% improvement going from 5400 to 6000 and a 9-10% improvement going from 5400 to 6400. Going to 7000 had a pretty small effect so he thought that 6400 was a sweetspot for performance and stability (and cost).
I actually found that this did improved my performance by ~8-10% and things ran a little smoother. Right now, things are smooth-as.
So, now I’m not sure now whether going to 64Gb (2x32Gb) 6400-7000 is going to have much effect or not. The ram speed may have more of an effect. What do you think? Thanks.
MSFS 2024 specs are showing its optimal to have 64, so maybe someone from Asobo can pipe in. Its a cheap upgrade, and I notice my machine seems to be doing better in MSFS 2020…
I run Gskill 6400, cas 32. I came form 6000 cas 38. I noticed some improvement in speedtest. but no idea it this is noticable in FS. dont think so. But 32 to 64 is an absolute GO.
VR is consumes a lot, not everywhere but it can and it does. Happy I did it. everyone said I was wrong but I was not.
Good luck and you will see for youreself!!
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Seb did talk about it already. You don’t NEED 64gb for MSFS. It won’t use it.
BUT, if you have other apps running as well then it will help. Any other apps like a browser, email, external apps for MSFS (like BATC etc etc etc), streaming and recording gameplay footage. Anything else.
Seb says he has 32gb and when he has other stuff running to record or whatever then it can sometimes freeze the sim for 2 seconds. 64gb should solve that.
Exactly, Ram is not really so expensive, so do it and forget about it! 
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G.SKILL 64GB (2x32GB) 6000MHz Cl30 Trident Neo (EXPO)
G.SKILL Trident Z5 DDR5 64GB 2x32GB 6000MHz CL30 (XMP)
The recommended RAM is 32GB not 64GB. I’ve explained multiple times that if there are no issues currently, there shouldn’t be any in the future either.
In the description of MSFS requirements, an explanation should be added for the 64GB RAM recommendation. If during a flight in MSFS 2024 you plan to record the session with software like OBS or Nvidia Shadow Play, simultaneously edit large video files, and compress or decompress large RAR/ZIP files, then you might need 64GB of RAM. However, if you are aware that background applications can impact the performance of any game and only run those necessary for the MSFS flight, 32GB of RAM will be sufficient.
However, if you’re really want 64GB of RAM - go ahead and buy it, no one will stop you. I’m patiently waiting for the release of MSFS 2024 and if I don’t experience any issues with 32GB of RAM, I don’t see the point in upgrading to 64GB.
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13 and 14 th gen intel has a lot of problems I would rather advise a 12 gen or 11 gen.
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There’s been a simple fix for potential 13/14 gen cpu overheating problems for a while now. Earlier this year my Asus z790 carbon wifi got a new bios update that included (as a default) Intel’s recommended settings (including max 255 watts). My 2 year old i9 13900k continues to work very well and I didn’t notice any change in performance. So, as long as you follow the new bios defaults I don’t think you need to shy away from these 13/14 gen cpu’s. These still offer a 10-20% performance improvement over 11/12 gen cpu’s.
TBH I wasn’t having any issues with my water cooled i9 13900k at the initially very aggressive bios settings but I went to the Intel recommended settings to help make sure I didn’t experience any in the future.
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Here’s the problem:
Intel confirms, too-high voltages aren’t the only reason some of these chips are failing. Intel spokesperson Thomas Hannaford confirms it’s a primary cause, but the company is still investigating. Intel community manager Lex Hoyos also revealed some instability reports can be traced back to an oxidization manufacturing issue that was fixed at an unspecified date last year.
This raises lots of questions. Will Intel recall these chips? Extend their warranty? Replace them no questions asked? Pause sales? Identify faulty batches with the manufacturing defect?
Intel has been asked these questions, and I’m not sure you’re going to like the answers.
Why are these still on sale without so much as an extended warranty?
Intel has not halted sales or clawed back any inventory. It will not do a recall, period. The company is not currently commenting on whether or how it might extend its warranty.
If we knew the lot numbers of the chips that had this manufacturing defect we could at least have some certainty that the one we purchase is not part of that defective lot. But we don’t. Are those chips still out on dealer’s shelves? We don’t know.
It’s the uncertainty that’s the problem. It would be one thing if it was just a matter of making sure the chips weren’t being over-volted.
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The oxidation issue only affected a small run - bad chemicals from a supplier. Those chips are long out of the supply chain.
and saying “The company is not currently commenting on whether or how it might extend its’ warranty” is simply false. The warranty was extended from 2 to 5 years for 13th and 14th generation CPUs, and the news was on all the tech sites.
And you can always look at the CPUs batch number or serial number to find out if it’s one that was affected. Or search for “Intel CPU Production Code” to find out how.
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Long story short, Intel blamed motherboard manufacturers for the CTD , BSOD and other issues affecting the performance of their 13th and 14th generation processors.
After the issue was highlighted by Gamers Nexus Intel has found that faulty processor microcode has been causing the processors to operate under excessive core voltages.
CPU sends a signal to the motherboard indicating how much Vcore it needs at any given moment. Therefore, if there is an issue with the microcode CPU may request higher voltage.
This issue was supposed to be fixed with the new microcode 0x129 along with BIOS updates.
Intel decided not to fix this through a Windows update as they had done in the past. In summary, this is an Intel epic fail, not an issue caused by motherboard manufacturers.
It’s worth mentioning that for two years, Intel concealed production issues related to the so-called via oxidation, which affected early 13th generation processors.
Intel deceived us, so I switched from i9 13900K to an Ryzen 7 8700X3D. After reaching out to Intel support, I sent the processor back and they quickly refunded me.
Source https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/cpu-cores-with-msf-2024/650766/102?u=tenpatrol
From the moment I got the i9 13900K, I did undervolting in the BIOS and that probably saved the CPU because I didn’t have any problems with the i9 13900K. I returned CPU to Intel because I felt deceived.
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Maybe time to get back on topic; MSFS2024 - RAM
If anyone wants to discuss the latest state of play regarding intel 13/14 gen cpu’s they can join the discussion that @TenPatrol kindly linked us to. Cheers.
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What part of trying to get back on topic did you not understand? Just kidding mate, lol! cheers.
Based on @TenPatrol comments I’m going to hold off upgrading my 32Gb (2x16Gb) ddr5 6400ram until msfs2024 comes out and we see actual user results.
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Well it’s Amazon Prime Deals Day and looking at the price history, “Corsair 64GB DDR5 6000 MHz CL30” is the cheapest it’s ever been.
I’ll upgrade and sell my existing “Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 MHz CL30”. I’ll try with all four sticks but that probably won’t work. QVL for motherboard only shows support for two sticks.
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