[Multiple Planes] Dubious Aircraft Performance in plane selection UI and some planes

Description of the issue:

Some of us keep asking what the QA process was like before release - some of us suspect there wasnt any actual QA process or it was dramatically cut short. Some of us suspect QA itself is just sus.

  • most planes are is listed with a max altitude of 12999ft - including airliners.
  • A320(V2) Is described as having 0 ( Zero ) passengers.
  • A330-300VIP has incorrect range ( 6K instead of 8K )?
  • A330-200VIP unlike the 300VIP, the 200VIP actually has cargo tanks.
  • P51 range suspect and unusually short? Historical models range over 900 w/internal tanks.
  • T-6 range suspect.
  • ES-30 is missing engine/system/fuel/battery readouts in glass cockpit (broken and basically unflyable).
  • 787-10 apparently only accommodates 44 passengers.
  • 737-Max apparently only accommodates 12 passengers.
  • A330 apparently carries zero passengers on some passenger variants.
  • A310-300 apparently has a passenger capacity of zero.
  • AT-802 has a tank with zero capacity for firefighting.
  • 747 has zero passengers, also with max alt of 13k. Apparently.
  • Sr22 has no seats, apparently
  • XCub also has no seats, apparently.
  • DH6 has no seats apparently
  • DH6 port cargo doors is dramatically broken and cannot be closed.
  • DA40 has no seats, apparently.
  • DC3 has no fuel consumption - apparently
  • NGX has no fuel consumption, apparently.
  • RYAN-NYP has incorrect range - at least according to wikipedia.
  • Floats Passenger variant of Beaver has zero passenger capacity.
  • Bell407 apparently cannot carry passengers.
  • Volocity has no stats whatsoever in UI.

Now - the Passenger Capacity issue explains why we only have the B737 in career.

The rest don’t seem to be fully updated to MS2024 in a completed state - for those which are not new.

I also - do not understand why the A321 is not included in career despite seemingly being configured in every way except it’s inclusion.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:
Most planes have incorrect UI stated data.
Some planes appear to be incorrect.

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
No Mods

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Every time the game is running - likely for every single user who runs it.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Launch the sim.
  2. Free Flight
  3. Actually use my eyeballs and read things.

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  • TheSkyship has 0 seats and “Big Wheels”. Not sure what the criteria is for “big” vs. say, medium, small or tiny… :grin:
  • The Cessna C408 SkyCourier has 0 seats and two very odd-looking variants. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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Fixed in v1.2.7.0:

Thank you devs! :grinning:

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• Yes.

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• When using Imperial Units: Fuel use is shown in pounds per hour abbreviated with L/h. Correct abbreviation is Lb/h.
• 787-10 shows off-field runway capable (Landing Surface is mountain icon)
• 747-8 Passenger variant has 0 seats.
• DHC-6-300 Wheels variant lists landing gear as Skids.
• DHC-6 shows no fuel use.
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• DC-3: All variants (Modern retrofit or classic, passenger or cargo) are listed within Livery and still display as the Emerald Harbor - retrofit. Only one variant is shown as an option.

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
Many planes show the same max altitude in the main menu (free flight menu). For example is the max altitude of an A320 12,999 ft while a Cessna 172 Skyhawk has the same max altitude. Just a few planes do have other values than 12,999 ft. And those are sometimes still incorrect. For example is the max altitude for A310-300 shown as 4,094 ft.

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
Yes

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Every time

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Select Free Flight in the menu
  2. Choose an aircraft and look at the statistics on the left side

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
Rtx 2070

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?
i7-8700k, 32 GB Ram DDR4

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I’m having the same issue since day 1. All planes’ max altitude is set to 12,999. Besides not saving airplane settings, etc., etc.

JB

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• Yes

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• Having same issue for all aircraft that can go above 12999 ft.

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:

In free flight whichever aircraft I hover over I see that max altitude is 12999ft, even on boeing and airbus. Configure screen shows the same

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

Yes

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Everytime

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Chose free flight
  2. Chose any aircraft
  3. Look at max altitude value

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• Same issue on Xbox X. A few planes have other values that are not 12999 but still incorrect. Like Airbus A330 showing max altitude of about 4500 feet!

This is already a duplicate of my existing and much older post:

Edit: Moderator merged our posts.

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• PC-12 NGX shows 0 seats in the Passenger variant.
• Cargo - Loaded variant shows 0 seats though 4 seats are visible in the image.
• Cargo - Empty variant shows a max weight and does not list seats, though 4 seats are visible in the image.
• VIP variant has liveries numbered: Livery 01, Livery 01 VIP, Livery 04 VIP, Livery 05 VIP, Livery 07 VIP, Livery 08 VIP. Where are the other numbers?

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Wrong information still there after 2 months and 3 patches.
Incredible.

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This might be a known issue but I couldn’t find it. The max altitude visible while selecting aircraft is always 12999ft which obviously is incorrect.

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• Ford Tri-Motor Variant Selection Screen shows incorrect variant names, too

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• For some of the issues - yes, like Max altitude 12999ft, see pictures below

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
The Max altitude indication for many jets is shown as 12999 ft. Which is way to low.

Did you experience this issue before you joined the Beta?
Unsure

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:
Cirrus G2, and other buisiness jets

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
N/A

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Always

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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1.Open the aircraft selector menu and read the aircraft description
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YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant:
N/A

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
Normal mode

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
3080

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i7

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Not a SU1 beta problem, the nonsensical aircraft stats have been in the menus for as long as I’ve been using the sim (so since decmber at least).

Correct - this is an issue since release, and likely even pre-release.

Just for clarity in case my statement seems a bit random: it was merged into this thread here from the beta forum where the issue was posted as a potential beta regression.