New PC review - 4070 Ti v. 4090

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So clearly I’m not the most tech savvy person so I’m reaching out to the community for some guidance. Based off what I have read the 7950X3D is the best processor for MSFS and then obviously 4090 seems to have great reviews as well. I have looked over and tried to understand the charts that have been posted but I’m still lost in the sauce.

Monitor - Samsung Odyssey G9

Questions -

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  1. Is this set up (listed below) that I put together good enough to run everything on Ultra with traffic, PMDG, Scenery and future proof?

  2. Is there anything you would change that would make a difference like the power supply or memory?

  3. Is the 4090 truly worth the $1,300 it would cost to go from 4070 Ti?

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Build Out I made -

Case:

iBUYPOWER HYTE Y60 RGB Gaming Case - Black

Case Fans:

Default Case Fan

Processor:

AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D Processor (16X 4.2GHz/128MB L3 Cache)

Processor Cooling:

iBUYPOWER 240mm Addressable RGB Liquid Cooler (Version 2023) - Black

Memory:

32 GB [16 GB X2] DDR5-5200MHz Memory Module
Certified Major Brand Gaming Memory

Video Card:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti - 12GB GDDR6X (DLSS 3.0 – AI-Powered Performance) - ASUS TUF GAMING

Motherboard:

MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK - WiFi 6E, ARGB Header (2), USB 3.2 Ports (2 Type-C, 6 Type-A), M.2 Slot (5)

Power Supply:

850 Watt - High Power -80 PLUS Gold Certified PCIe GEN 5

Primary Storage:

1TB WD Blue SN580 M.2 PCIe Gen 4 NVMe SSD – Gen 4 Read: 4150MB/s; Write: 4150MB/s, Gen 3 Read: 3539MB/s; Write: 3444MB/s

Sound Card:

3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

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That is a pretty good setup for 1440p. I have a very similar setup, except I have an Intel 13600 and DDR4 RAM. You won’t be able to max everything, but you can run most things on ultra. Power supply is plenty; the 4070Ti is very efficient.

I’d recommend at least 2 TB SSD if you can. Add-ons add up quick. I guess it depends what other software/games/etc you are going to have.

Future proof? I’d say if you want to venture into 4k and/or VR, probably not.

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Thank you for the insight!

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Edit: The site didn’t parse the quote tags properly and inserted part of this reply into the quote section, so don’t just skip the quote.

I would drop down to a 7800x3d. The 7950x3d will function essentially as a 7800x3d by only using half the CPU during gaming, even then it won’t fully load the CPU, and there have been many headaches reported getting it to play nice with core parking during games. The 7800x3d is the universal recognised best gaming CPU right now, so best to save your money unless you have a specific use case for the 7950x3d outside of simming. You could then easily go with a cheaper dual tower air cooler that will still cool effectively.

I would put that money into 6,000 MHz memory, which seems to be the sweet spot for AM5 right now. Or consider a stronger PSU if you believe you’ll be upgrading again later. Or upgrading to an RX 7900XT or XTX GPU. I wrote those stream of consciousness, but I think I would actually prioritize them in reverse, with the GPU at the top of the list, especially if you are considering futureproofing.

I see that you are looking at a prebuilt system, so I’m not sure what kind of flexibility you’ll have with this. If you are comfortable building yourself, I would look at pricing going that route (I don’t have the time to compare myself at the moment).

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I’m back and built up a similar computer based on what I was recommending in my above post. This would be a DIY build where you have to source the parts, but may put things into some perspective.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZGbXMV

I went to the ibuypower store and recreated yours for $2654. The build I created comes in over $500 less, but would have just as good, if not better performance, plus additional storage and future upgrade flexibility with a stronger PSU. That’s a heck of a lot of wiggle room to swap parts around, great if you want more RGB than what I included. If you don’t feel comfortable building it yourself, you can likely find a builder locally to do it for you and still save money. Keep in mind this was NOT including the OS, because you should be able to transfer your current licence over to the new system. If you need an OS, then that needs to be factored in as well.

Edit: I built up another option if you just really want to spend that much. Compared to the system you were looking at, it would have an extra 4TB game drive, larger 360mm RGB AIO, RGB memory, similar case color matching the red trim of the Red Devil GPU, and a single RGB case fan to replace the one at the rear and match the AIO fans. It would still leave a little left over to help cover the cost of someone building it for you. Basically going for performance, cooling, and flare.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WgMZWt

The only thing I may change if my personal build would be the mobo due to the number of USB ports. For MSI, it would mean something like the MPG B650 EDGE WIFI, which I think looks pretty slick visually and adequate for my uses.

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As Mooncatt3953 says, the 7950X3D is not the best CPU for MSFS. The 7800X3D is.

The question of “Is the 4090 worth it?” is a question that only you can answer for yourself, based on your desired resolution, acceptable frame rates, and budget.

I have a 7800X3D and a 4090. I play variably on a 48" 4K OLED screen running tweaked Ultra settings never getting below 60 fps or VR. This is my desired performance level and my budget allowed for it, so a 4090 was my choice. Your mileage may vary.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! I will look over this tonight!

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Thank you for your input!

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So pardon me but I’m still learning… If I go with the RX 7900 XTX am I able to later upgrade to the 4090 without having to upgrade anything else?

I have done more reading and determined the 4070 Ti only has 12GB which I see on multiple post is not really sufficient? Although I’m confused because I will watch youtube videos were the 4070 Ti seems to be handling things fine with 120+ FPS…

What am I missing here with this picture?

Thanks again for the help!

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The 4070ti is sufficient if you aren’t maxing out your textures and LOD settings. Always better to get the card with the most VRAM for the headroom.

Also DLSS 3 works better than FSR3 atm. Nvidia reflex just works better than AMDs solution atm.

Daniel Owen tech channel does very good comparisons between AMD and Nvidia. He isn’t biased towards any. Just fines Nvidia implementation to be better.

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The 7900 XTX is about the equivalent of the Nvidia 4080 so if you start with the 7900 XTX I don’t think it would be very cost effective to upgrade later to the 4090 (albeit you could do it no problem). I’d recommend to just bite the bullet and spend the extra $$ up front to get the 4090 if you really want the 4090. One of the key reasons to get the 4090 in my mind would be VR so if you weren’t intending to do VR I’d save some money and go with the 7900 XTX.

The 4070Ti is a great GPU and will work well with the sim. However, a 12 GB VRAM GPU is not something I would recommend to purchase currently as DX12 is the future for gaming with MSFS 2020 and DX12 sucks up VRAM to provide a smooth experience. For an extra $100-$200 over the 4070Ti, you can get a 7900 XTX with 24GB of VRAM which is double that of the 4070Ti. I have a 7900x3d paired with a 7900 XTX and I can attest that it runs very well with the sim and any other game I throw at it. AMD currently has a preview driver which supports frame gen and I believe will be releasing it very soon as part of its standard WHQL driver.

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I agree with the others about the cost justification and reasonability of a later upgrade to a 4090, so I’ll focus on this:

If you have a good belief that you’ll eventually want to upgrade to a 4090, or some other future high powered GPU, then I would suggest getting an even stronger PSU now, in the 1200W range. When it comes to modern GPU’s, you don’t want to minimally meet system power requirements with the PSU. GPU’s have very high transient spikes that can go well above their rated power, which can trip a PSU protection circuit. A stronger PSU from a reputable brand will be able to handle this without shutting down.

You could buy something weaker now and save money on this initial purchase, but it’ll cost more over all if you have to upgrade later since you’ll never get 100% of your money back on the first PSU. This may be a reasonable route depending on current finances and unknown future plans, but PSU’s can be a long term investment. Many come with 10 year warranties, so it’s at least worth considering buying stronger from the start.

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Thank you so much for all the assistance!

So I have taken this and done some shopping since I cant seem to find a builder that is local that wouldn’t cost the same price.

However I found cyberpower to have a drastic difference in price $2,374 v. $2,943.

I reviewed it a few times and cant seem to spot a difference? Do you see anything?

*iBUYPOWER

Core Specification

Limited Time Offer:

  • [FREE] - iBUYPOWER MEK 3 RGB Mechanical Gaming Keyboard ($39 Value)
  • HYTE Eclipse HG10 Wireless Gaming Headset ($99 Value)

Case: iBUYPOWER HYTE Y60 RGB Gaming Case - Black

Case Fans: Default Case Fan

Processor:

AMD Ryzen™ 7 7800X3D Processor (8X 4.2GHz/96MB L3 Cache)

Processor Cooling:

iBUYPOWER 240mm Addressable RGB Liquid Cooler (Version 2023) - Black

Memory:

32 GB [16 GB X2] DDR5-6000MHz Memory Module
G.SKILL Trident Z5

Video Card:

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX - 24GB GDDR6

Motherboard:

MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK - WiFi 6E, ARGB Header (2), USB 3.2 Ports (2 Type-C, 6 Type-A), M.2 Slot (5)

Power Supply:

1000 Watt - High Power - 80 PLUS Gold Certified PCIe GEN 5

Primary Storage:

2TB Samsung 980 PRO M.2 PCIe Gen 4 NVMe SSD – Gen 4 Read: 7000MB/s; Write: 5100MB/s, Gen 3 Read: 3500MB/s; Write: 3470 MB/s

Sound Card:

3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

Services:

  • Professional Wiring - For All Standard Default Cables Inside the System
  • Generic Thermal Paste - Pre-applied
  • iBUYPOWER Standard Packaging
    Protect your investment during transportation

Operating System:

Windows 11 Home w/ Windows Recovery USB
(64-bit)

Warranty:

Three Year Standard (3 YR Labor + 1 YR Parts)

Rush Service:

Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee)
[HOLIDAY RUSH !!!] - Ship Out in 5 Business Days

******CYBERPOWER

Operating System: Windows 11 Home
Year End Featured Promotions: None
Gaming Chassis: CyberPowerPC LIAN LI PC-008 Dynamic ATX Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Tempered glass on the front & side NO FAN (Black Color)
Extra Case Fans: 3X 120mm APEVIA 120mm Addressable RGB 1200RPM Fans w/ Hub + Remote Controller
CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 7 Processor 7800X3D 8-core/16-thread 4.2GHz [Turbo 5.0GHz] 104MB Cache AM5
Freebie of Processor: None
Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking: No Overclocking
CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: CyberPowerPC DEEPCOOL LS720 ARGB 360mm AIO Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (3 x Standard 120MM Fans)
Video Card: AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XTX 24GB GDDR6 Video Card (Single Card)
Freebie of Video Card: None
Power Supply: 1000Watts - High Power 1000W 80+ GOLD ATX 3.0 Ready Full Modular w/ PCIE 12+4Pins Connector for PCIe 5.0 graphics cards
Motherboard: ASROCK X670E PG Lightning AM5 ATX w/ 2.5GbT LAN, (3)PCIe x16, (1)PCIe x1, (2)M.2, (4)SATA
RAM / System Memory: 32GB (16GBx2) DDR5/6000MHz Dual Channel Memory (Team T-FORCE DELTA RGB (AMD EXPO SUPPORT CL30) BLACK)
Primary Hard Drive: 2TB ADATA LEGEND 800 GOLD Series (PCIe Gen4) NVMe M.2 SSD - Seq R/W: Up to 3500/2800 MB/s, Rnd R/W up to 290/415k (Single Drive)
External Storage: None
Video Capture Card: None
Internal Wireless Network Card: None
Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
Monitor: None
Freebie of Monitor: None
Cables: None
Speakers: None
Internal Network Card: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
Keyboard: CyberPowerPC Multimedia USB Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: CyberPowerPC Elite M1 131 RGB 7-Color w/ 9 Button, adjustable Weight & lighting effects Gaming Mouse
Mouse Pad: None
Headset: None
Microphone: None
Gaming Apparel: None
Gaming Gear: None
Wireless Routers/Hubs: None
Video Camera: None
External Accessories: None
Windows Recovery: Windows 11 Recovery USB
Digital Delivery Software: None
Professional Wiring: None
Ultra Care Option: None
Warranty: STANDARD WARRANTY: 1 Year Parts WARRANTY
Service: 3 Years FREE Service Plan (INCLUDES LABOR AND LIFETIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT)
Rush Service: Standard processing time: ship within 2 to 3 Weeks.

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There isn’t a ton of difference, but the Cyberpower has a Lian Li case, which is generally considered higher end than Hyte (though I don’t know if that’s objectively true in this specific comparison). It also has a larger water cooler. So some extra cost may be justifiable. I don’t think it’s worth the extra cost.

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Okay perfect! So cyberpower is the $2,374 and it comes with the larger cooler plus a better name brand case! Thanks for the help!