I need some advice for upgrading my system for msfs2024. I have a pretty old system with a b550 mainboard+3060ti gpu+ ryzen 5 3600 cpu + 32GB DDR4 Ram and a 600 W Zalman psu.
so, im playing the game with -HIGH- settings on 2K on about 40 -50 fps average ( 1080p is not an option for me ) i enjoy it but clearly this game is designed for the ultra settings with a better system and i know that my experience is a dull one.
so, i cannot renew my whole system, dont have the budget for it now, but i am thinking about getting a Radeon rx9070..
The reason for not getting a Rtx 5070TI is ----its too expensive for me,
Rtx 5070 is —12gbvram on 2025 is a joke
Rx9070XT is —cant say its cheap and i have to renew my psu.
so if i get a 9070 it is 1) cheapest new card 2) i dont have to renew my psu 3)within my budget
also i have concerns on bottleneck a 9070 and ryzen 3600 but its seems about %10, i can handle that
you guys think i can get 2K Ultra with 9070? and my psu can handle this?
Hello .. You need to offload your CPU/MB/Memory and upgrade those items first. Either ebay or offer up to recoup some of the funds and put the money into upgrading that first.
Yes you also need a gpu upgrade but its not the most pressing thing needing an upgrade looking at your system specs.
Or if you can find a 5800x3d that’s an option.. but yeah .. GPU upgrade should wait until you upgrade the CPU and you may have to upgrade the mb and memory if you cant find a 5800x3d to drop into that AM4 socket.
whatever i touch other then the gpu, leads to a complete new system..if i go for the cpu upgrade, which i really need, choosing a budget am4 cpu would be a waste..i have to get an am5 cpu..at least 7500F or 9700x, x3d models are incredibly expensive in my country..
that means i have to change my mb, so i have to go for ddr5..etc etc
surely thats the right way to go but i just wonder replacing a rtx 3060TI with rx 9070 makes sense? if it makes me play mfsf24 ultra , 2K and around 40-50 fps, that would be enough for me
Hi!
I have very similar specs as yours. Only 16GB of RAM but the rest is the same.
I’m also thinking of upgrading and after many hours testing my rig and reading I’ve come to the same conclusion as @Maxisone.
The CPU is critical.
I’m thinking of upgrading to an AMD 5700X3D and additional 16GB of RAM.
That way I avoid a MB upgrade and have a good CPU a bit more slow than the 5800x3D unfortunately discontinued…
There is no other X3D for AM4 sockets being sold new now. And I don’t like going to the used market for PC parts.
I will try to hang on to my 3060ti for as long as I can since the GPUs market is absolutely â– â– â– â– . Maybe in a few months I can grab a better GPU from the last gen for not that much with more VRAM.
I know I will keep having problems with my VRAM but keeping the textures low will have to do for now until the next SUs solve the issues with VRAM.
I prefer having better TLODs and consistant performance at 30-40FPS than having great textures and hiccups due to VRAM.
I don’t know how you get to 40-50FPS at 2K and high settings.
Maybe you go for lighter planes, not airliners. No traffic.
I only get 40-50 with frame gen on and at cruise altitudes. Or small default airports.
I was just curious on what other fellow simmers would suggest to you.
But hey don’t follow my lead on the upgrade. We’re all just guessing here.
Cheers
I have very similar specs as yours. Only 16GB of RAM but the rest is the same. ++++ i had 16 also, just bought another 16 just for msfs
I’m also thinking of upgrading and after many hours testing my rig and reading I’ve come to the same conclusion as @Maxisone.
The CPU is critical.
I’m thinking of upgrading to an AMD 5700X3D and additional 16GB of RAM.
That way I avoid a MB upgrade and have a good CPU a bit more slow than the 5800x3D unfortunately discontinued…
There is no other X3D for AM4 sockets being sold new now. And I don’t like going to the used market for PC parts.
I will try to hang on to my 3060ti for as long as I can since the GPUs market is absolutely â– â– â– â– .
++++its insane..
Maybe in a few months I can grab a better GPU from the last gen for not that much with more VRAM.
I know I will keep having problems with my VRAM but keeping the textures low will have to do for now until the next SUs solve the issues with VRAM.
I prefer having better TLODs and consistant performance at 30-40FPS than having great textures and hiccups due to VRAM.
++++i agree with that, i prefer stability than an annoying beauty but clearly 3060ti is not enough for this game since i see the people playing msfs24 with 4090 or 4080 super, and that is something else
I don’t know how you get to 40-50FPS at 2K and high settings.
Maybe you go for lighter planes, not airliners. No traffic.
I only get 40-50 with frame gen on and at cruise altitudes. Or small default airports.
+++ High settings with DLSS on Performance, no ray tracing and Shadow maps 768/ Terrain shadows 128..no traffic, no airliners and small airports as you guessed. if the airport is Medium, its about 35avg..if its a big one than its around 25-30 and lots of studdering
I was just curious on what other fellow simmers would suggest to you.
But hey don’t follow my lead on the upgrade. We’re all just guessing here.
Cheers
In 4k CPU still matters .. The only reason why there isn’t much difference in those benchmarks is due to the fact that at 4k you are mostly GPU limited so the GPU needs more frametime to compute and more VRAM to output the image and unless you are planning to purchase a 7900XTX/RX4090 or 5090 your not going to be very happy trying to run the sim in 4k ultra settings because you will be out of VRAM.
I still recommend for your case either finding a used 5800x3d or using the money you were intending to use for the GPU on upgrading all the other components because you will not get the desired performance you want by just upgrading to a 9070 and you certainly will not be getting 4k ultra out of it.
Speaking for myself .. and my upgrade history since 2020 my system went from
3700X to 5900X to 7800X3D
2080Super to 6800XT to 9070XT
My target is 2k ultra wide 3440x1440p at default ultra settings in sim.
I can personally tell you that you will have probably a worse experience having a fast graphic card and slow cpu in a cpu limited sim. That is the ideal recipe for stutters. I can personally vouch for that because the first thing i did was upgrade my 2080 super to the 6800XT and the card made no impression and actually felt worse until i went and purchased that 5900X to balance it out. I made sure to not make that same mistake again and upgraded from Socket AM4 to Socket AM5 first late last year then upgraded my GPU 2 weeks ago. I guess the rule you can take from this is that you upgrade the most limiting aspect of the sim first then you upgrade the second part. In a month or two i intend to sell my 7800X3D and put those funds toward a 9800X3D and then i will be done for a year or two.
I also believe in second hand parts because i sell my pc parts when im done with them and decide to upgrade (Save your receipts and all the original packaging!! It makes reselling your items a lot easier!). I literally sold my 6800xt yesterday for $360usd ! Sold my used 5900x/B550 motherboard and Ram as one package late last year and recouped some of the funds i paid for the platform upgrade. PC parts either work or they don’t and i will buy and sell new or used as long as its verified to be working and the previous owner takes care of their stuff like i did.
I can only recommend based on my experience and my own knowledge so hopefully you get to the point where you are happy with your system if you take a different route to get there
I definetly changed my mind about just getting a 9070 to my system, ill stick to my 3060ti and handle the issue with the cpu..thank you for sharing your experience, it helped a lot..ill probably wait for the 5070ti and 9070xt prices to drop, it will be 9070xt if the price ratio is like today, and look to buy an 9800x3d with a x870 mainboard..if my budget wont allow, ill go for the b650or x670 mb with 7800x3d cpu.
Actually it makes perfect sense to buy a second hand electronics since they are “1/0” simply work or not as you said; but i simply can’t do that..dealing with people,my unboxing a new hardware fetish..etc etc. ( the market’s insanity also spread to the second market here, people try to sell their parts same prices with new ones )
three questions for you; how is your 9070xt experience so far?
does it worth to upgrade 7800x3d with a 9800x3d since i heard the difference is a not huge?
and i have a 28inch monitor and looking to buy a ultrawide samsung g8 oled 34inch, how is your ultrawide experience with msfs24?
So i still use both sims at the moment so i have to answer based in which sim i am in.
for my 9070XT experience ?
For MSFS2020 i can say that the card is more than enough to run Ultra at Ultrawide resolution. I actually increased my render resolution to 115% because the card can handle it.. I like to use Fluid motion frames to double the framerates and lock the base frames to minimise the potential for stuttering so i have locked my frames to 90fps and encounter no stutters in all phases of flight.
For MSFS2024. I am also on default ultra but the newer sim is a bit harder on the card so i do not increase the render resolution. I also used to use the driver based fluid motion frames for framegen to get me to 90 frames again but that is no longer needed as of service update 2 the in game framegen is available and its just as smooth as the driver version with no artifacts.
Bear in mind that with the way that i am using the card in both scenarios it still has lots of headroom as i am purposely locking frames and using framegen. I have yet to really push the card to its limits .. Its simply running as it should very smoothly without issue at ultra settings. The only thing i may start to worry about later on is when i start to add serious large third party airports and aircraft to MSFS 2024 and VRAM may get gobbled up but i usually make it a point to stick to 4k textures when able on third party aircraft repaints and use AIG traffic which uses 2k textures on its AI aircraft to keep VRAM usage down and that has worked when i noticed VRAM creeping up in MSFS2020 (DX12 mode) when i had my 6800XT.
As for 7800X3D versus 9800X3D. This is more of future proofing for the heavy stuff (PMDG/FENIX A320 NEO and addon airports) that will be coming to MSFS2024. There is a nice performance bump between the two even though the 7800X3D is actually really good in its own right.
My ultra wide is the Asus TUF VG34VQL3A . I wanted OLED but don’t have OLED money lol so this will do and it greatly adds to my immersion without spending on a multi monitor setup and i am able to customize its refresh rate to avoid any stuttering.
One thing im noticing is that when everyone is talking about builds most are not realizing that the only difference between a B650E motherboard and X870 motherboard is that the X870 board comes with USB4 as standard. Personally that’s not enough for me to buy into that chipset and even if i must have USB4 there are B650E based boards with USB4 (Asrock Taichi lite). When i upgraded my MB late last year X870 boards were available. I still went with B650E (Asus B650E F Gaming). So that’s an option so save some money right there as well.
just curious what CPU are you using because i have a few PCs here for flight sim and I have a 7900xt and xtx, 9070XT and 4090. I use the 7900XT+7800X3D and I’m getting around 70FPS in cruise and 50FPS on the ground in 4k in the Fenix, my 9070XT does similar and my XTX is about 20FPS faster most of the time, the 4090 is the fastest when it’s not VRAM bugging lol
I just feel like you have some native performance left of the table and these cards are fast enough to not need AFMF, I’m doing everything native.
But what’s the specs and RAM speed? I’m using 64GB 6200cl 26 on all my systems, I found doing my own memory timings really sped things up quite a bit despite having x3d CPUs on all my systems
Im on a 7800X3d … and i know very well that ive got gobs of GPU performance left on the table.. The beauty of Fluid motion frames is that when set up properly there’s pretty much no artifacts to speak of as i am using TAA and no upscaler .. So why bother running full native when i can give both my cpu and gpu a breather (and some headroom if needed) and still get 90 stutter free frames ?
The built in FSR 3.1 framegen component in SU2 beta is shaping up to be even better as well .. when turned on the fps was already bumping up to my max monitor referesh rate (144fps) but again .. im happy with 90 so i locked that down as well (TAA + the in game framegen component no upscaling) .
As I posted in this thread, 9070XT is amazing - #16 by SebastianJ7210, I decided to replace my RX5700XT (8Go VRAM) by a RX9070 (16Go VRAM). Main reason was more VRAM for MSFS2024 but also future proofing + power consumption similar to 5700XT.
R5 3600, 32Go System RAM
I am running games at 1080p locked at 35-40fps (via AMD driver) so I am not demanding too much to the GPU (except using VRAM ;)) but my old config was not generating much more than 30fps
I am not running “ultra” but “high end” settings. Now I reach a 1% low of 40 fps.
I would be able to find a new R5 5700X3D but I am not sure I would be able to “survive” with this CPU for the next 5 years (as 5700X3D has a boost speed similar to R5 3600, so I might still be “main thread limited” with the 5700X3D).
Not related to this forum, but this new config config also do good in Cyberpunk 2077 (which might be clearly less CPU demanding than MSFS2024)
Having said that and seeing I am “main thread limited”, I would also say to look into upgrading CPU first to push your GPU to its full potential (if you do not have sim crashs due to lack of VRAM right now).
thanks for the long and nice reply, great feedback..i was about to ask you do you use TAA or DLSS, you have already said one of your post, you use TAA..i had no clue till i use TAA and saw my instruments finally readable without my eyes bleed and a dust like pixels behind my wings..definetly with 3060ti i almost have to use dlss, with taa i experience around 10 fps loss, that amount is the difference between enjoying the game or not..thanks for sharing your ultrawide exp., do you you gsx or beyond atc for msfs24?
I had a B550 motherboard, DDR4 RAM, a 5800X3D, and a 3090 Ti.
Yes, I sold those components and upgraded to AM5. I kept my GPU and had to buy DDR5 RAM, a new motherboard, new CPU (7950X3D) and a bigger P/S.
The new AM5 gear is more powerful, but also pretty expensive. And guess what, I’m GPU limited @ 4K. You might think, “Well, that proves my point that I should upgrade my GPU first.”
But the reality is that the 5800X3D is still a really good gaming processor. In fact, it took a lot of tweaking to see more than 10% better performance from the AM5 system, and in reality, it’s not much more impressive @ 4K than with AM4/5800X3D.
Point is, if you are on a budget, a 5800X3D would be a fantastic upgrade value for you (assuming you can find a good used one for a reasonable price. I think a lot of former owners are figuring out that they have a darn good CPU on their hands - one that people are willing to pay for in order to save money and stick with AM4.
If you have the cash, there’s no doubt getting a solid AM5 system will bring results. But you are budget-driven. Start saving money for the right AM5 system (which means, first and foremost, a Ryzen 9 X3D processor.) You don’t have the money for that right now, so grab a 5800X3D and enjoy a BIG performance uplift over your Ryzen 5 3600.
Can nothing else than fully endorse this statement. I upgraded from a 3700X to a 5800X3D, and I not only can’t feel the need to upgrade to AM5, but also can’t justify the cost unless there is a huge unbelievable bargain, which I don’t think will ever happen since there would need to be a sale of motherboards, a sale of CPUs, and a sale of RAM. For now, and probably for a long time, I’ll stick with the 5800X3D. Unless you pair it with something like a 5090, it shouldn’t bottleneck any GPU, and if it does, will be by little margin.
