PC-12 Aviator penalty for no landing lights in Career

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

You get a penalised for not using landing lights as soon as you retract thr landing gear during night flights in career mode. I switched to night flight using zulu time.

Landing lights are switched on, ive checked multiple times.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:
PC-12

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
I have none.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Every time during night flights. Take off and landing.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Switch to night during a PC-12 mission
  2. Switch landing and Taxi lights on.
  3. Take off and retract gear.
  4. Receive Penalty
  5. Begin decent (during night) slow speed and extend flaps below 130kts
  6. Receive Penalty even though the landing and lights are on.

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[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?
Dx 12 in VR

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
4070 ti super

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?
32gb ram rizen 9 cpu and always fly in VR with a pimax crystal light.

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I have all the licenses including the night flight license. Where are the missions for that? I’m level 182 and haven’t seen a single night flight yet.

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You have to bind a button to Zulu time mate.
Go to controls, search 'Zulu" then bind a button to minutes and hours.
It sets the time to utc (I think)
Its a beautiful thing :heart_eyes:

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Pls dont forget to vote for your own reports.

-edit:-
i will try it with my PC-12 tonight on XBox….

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• Yes, although I am on the beta so night flights are standard.

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• As soon as I retract the landing gear on take-off on a night flight (the landing lights are on the gear on the PC-12) I get a penalty for no landing lights.
On landing, I advise the destination airport of my position via the ATC panel and then get another penalty for not having my landing lights on. Only at this point does the mission steps tell me to lower the landing gear, which house my landing lights (which were switched on). So it’s all out of whack. Then to cap it off my co-pilot tells me ‘we forgot to retract the landing gear’ which is mad to say it’s been retracted for 4 hours and I’ve just lowered it.

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This sums it up, pretty stupid amateur error but knock me from an S to and A. I guess no more night flight missions in the PC-12 till this is fixed when???.

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I just got the same penalty yesterday after contacting the destination airport. Landing lights were switched on since going below FL100, but gear was of course not yet lowered at that point. Also, why can’t I vote for this bug? Is it not activated for this thread, or is it missing since the forum update?

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The only way around it that ive found is to lower the landing gear just above FL100.
Seems stupid.. but it stops the penalties.

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As the penalty is given directly after contacting the destination airport, it would suffice to lower the gear just before that. I was under VFR so already near the destination, don’t know when it happens under IFR.

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The problem seems to be that the landing lights actually switch off when the landing gear is raised. I assume this is an error in the model?

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Does this issue still exist in SU3?

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
With the PC12 doing night missions getting landing light aviator failure, this is because the landing lights are on the landing gear which are hidden with landing gear retracted.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:
PC 12

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
YES

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Only if doing a night mission

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. when on approach get aviator failure , saying landing lights off, this is because the gear is still retracted.

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[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
NO

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?

RTX 4080 Super
[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?
9800x3d

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from an other post here: PC-12 Aviator penalty for no landing lights in Career - #5 by CorvusCorvid538

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:

When flying at night in career mode, retracting the PC-12’s undercarriage after take-off turns the Landing light off causing an infraction.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:
PC-12 NGX

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

No Mods installed

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

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Every time when flying career mode at night

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Same issue, landing/taxi light switches in the on position, gear retracted, penalty.

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same here

in flight landing light malfunction when flying on cruise altitude with landing light off. Got penalty for this. After calling ATC for landing clearance got penalty for not having landing light.
After switch gear down landing light was working again

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the landing gear up on ground makes the landinglight fail

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I flew two missions in the PC-12 just now. Got told off for no landing lights in the first, which I admit I got wrong because I skipped to descent and forgot to turn them on. So I went and flew another, proper cargo flight without skipping, complete procedure and everything. Landing lights on. Got pinged anyway - I’m convinced this is a bug now. My lights are on and good.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• Yes, as soon as the mission steps are asking for bringing the landing gear down on a night landing, the penalty is applied. Which makes from my point of view not really sense for two reasons

  • there is no point to have the landing light on, as they are not visible on the PC12 as long as the landing gear is up
  • it is hard to understand why the landing gear should be down at exact this moment when the mission steps are asking for it (sometimes it is 10 miles before landing, sometimes it is just 2 miles before landing)

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?

• Yes.

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• The Pilatus PC-12 has its landing lights on its landing gear, which means the landing lights can be ON only when the landing gear is lowered, which happens on final. However, the missions expect the landing lights to be on much earlier, giving us an “Aviator performance: No landing light at night landing” penalty which is completely erroneous.