PC or Xbox?

Hello MSFS forum! This is my first post and come as a complete beginner to the flight simulator and gaming space. I am a middle-aged technology professional who, while having worked with technology and computers for much of my working life, have never really become too preoccupied with computer or console games. However, having recently started flying lessons, I have been attracted to explore how MSFS might help me advance my in-flight skills.

I have come to this forum to learn how I can get support my burgeoning interest in flying and perhaps also have some fun when weather or real-life scheduling precludes me from flying in the real thing. I have neither an XBox or MSFS-capable PC at this stage, but seek to solicit the collective knowledge of the forum to with respect to preferred platform and accessories such that I can set myself up for success.

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PC allows for better peripherals & VR as I understand it. If you’re flying irl, a 2d monitor won’t cut it. I have a full-motion platform, a buttkicker, fly in vr, and have built a panel to match my trainer (complete with a 530 and 430) and even THAT is a little underwhelming, once you know just how dynamic real-life flight is.

But even considering its limitations… it’s pretty darned fantastic!

Enjoy!

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Thank you for the welcome @N582TC. From some reading, I have come to a similar conclusion as you, in that there is likely to be better performance, peripheral support and overall experience through the use of a PC based system. I am however wondering whether this is overkill for my setting. I wonder whether, like @GloomyLake935, the simplicity and ease-of-use of an XBox based system will prove sufficient for me.

Decisions, decisions, decisions! :slight_smile:

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Check out this thread if you didn’t already.

tl;dr the xbox is a fantastic cheap entry into the hobby and can be really good in the right conditions. However if you want to go beyond the base game and extend it then it quickly breaks. If you can afford a PC and are serious about flight sim then go PC, the experience is many times better.

I just switched to PC after 18 months on xbox, should have done it sooner. Won’t go back.

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I have used MSFS on both Xbox s and Xbox x and low range PC.

I moved up from the xbox s to x because Xbox s IMOP could not cope with MSFS as it is now ( if its just VFR you need the s is more than capable ) I’ve been very happy with my Xbox x performance. Xbox is more ā€œyou get what you getā€ -its all there but its still limated and there is no real way you can tinker as XBOX is a closed environment. its plug and play. You have far more options with MSFS on PC and way more feature rich accessories - GSX - FS Traffic and the soon to be released BeyondATC.

As I said I use Xbox for MSFS but that’s because it’s more convenient for me. If I had the time and funds then I would 100% go for a high end PC.

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If you are going to use the sim to augment your actual flying training (which I highly recommend), I would go with the PC. While the xBox provides a good recreational experience at a reasonable price, you will soon meet its limitations when trying to add peripherals and some 3rd-party software you might want in the future.

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Welcome to the forums, @r12477! I’m sure you will find diverse but helpful advice here. Congrats on flying lessons! Are you looking to simulate to the most realistic effect the plane you are currently learning in? If so, which plane is it? Hopefully we can provide some great guidance on peripherals and setup!

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Thank you everyone for the comments and great advice. I am presently learning on a Cessna 152, the veritable prototype of learner aircraft. Longer term, I would like to be able to fly something bigger, but right now I am still very much in the learning phase, flying under VFR only.

For those who have started with MSFS on XBox before shifting to a PC, do you have any regret in not making the jump sooner? Not having much experience in PC gaming, I don’t want to get distracted by the intricacies of establishing the ā€œperfectā€ PC set up when at the end of the day, the simulator is a means to an end, rather than my intended play-thing itself.

Go with the PC version - you won’t regret it. You have so many more options for addons - it’s ridiculous! On the console, your only option is the in-game Marketplace, but on a PC you have the option to add tons of freeware or payware from third party sources.

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The Xbox users are second class citizens compared to pc users. This manifests in all sorts of ways. For example on pc you buy PMDG’s dc-6 or 737 and get all the liveries free while on Xbox you get exactly one livery and it’s ugly default livery with the name of the plane and PMDG on it. You have to spend lots more for the liveries in multiple packs.

Another example is certain aircraft and addons are just not available on Xbox. Some that are available have limitations compared to pc like missing instrumentation options. Then there’s the fact on pc you can hundreds of free pieces of content on the internet. Xbox users have to buy content on the marketplace and it can take a while for marketplace release to happen if it does at all.

If you want to practice for real world flying you’ll want a usable ATC. The in-sim ATC is broken in so many ways, and does not use correct phraseology.

On PC you can use VATSIM which is as close to real as you’ll get on your computer. There is also the upcoming BeyondATC which from the initial demos looks like it will take AI ATC to the next level. There are also several other offline ATC options that have various caveats but you could also explore.

On xbox there are none of these options.

Also on PC you can fly with real life traffic using FSLTL but on xbox you cannot.

On PC there is access to several replay tools if you want to review your landings or manoeuvres and improve, on xbox there is nothing.

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While most people are mentioning the extra options you can use on PC, Im going to throw my 2 cents for the XsX. Unless you got a beefy PC that is going to cost a pretty penny unless you want to play in potato mode. $500 for xbox FS is great. Im playing it every day, it really depends how serious you want to get into it but if you really dont care about VATSIM or some aircraft missing on the console like the A320 Fenix, you will have just as much fun.

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Depends on how you want to play.

If you want to go full hardcore get a PC.

Xbox you can also go hardcore but PC is much more customizable.

but if you want to play more casual and for recreational purposes Xbox is probably the best option. It saves you money and it’s free if you have gamepass.

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Very cool! If you are looking to practice maneuvers in the 152 as well as ATC, I would recommend the PC version in order to get a great peripheral set up that includes rudder pedals (take a look a Thrustmaster products), yoke and throttle (take a look at Honeycomb products). using PC-compatible programs like VATSIM really helps with learning ATC as well!

If you go the Xbox route, consider the Honeycomb Alpha Xbox compatible yoke and Bravo quadrant for a fuller experience practicing. :slight_smile: Those are of course my opinion and when I was taking lessons in the 152 found those setups to be the most helpful for me.

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Congratulations on starting learning to fly - it’s one of the most enjoyable things you will ever do in your life and you will become part of a community of aviators who have shared a common bond since Orville and Wilbur first took to the sky and saw the earth from its most beautiful angle - above!

I was into flight simulator long before I ever started learning to fly but when I eventually did start training I augmented my training using Microsoft Flight Simulator and carried on doing so right through PPL, CPL, IR and various type ratings as an airline pilot. Even now with nearly 20 years as a commercial airline pilot behind me, I still use FS2020 and X-Plane 11 to practice for upcoming simulator courses and to keep my hand in. It also affords me the opportunity to fly metal I will never get the chance to fly in real life from a Pitts Special to an F15.

I agree with everyone here that there’s simply no decision to make if you’re looking to benefit from flight simulator in augmenting your training - PC is the only sensible option. I also agree that VR is the most important development in flight simulation for 30 years. It’s almost impossible for example to fly a proper ā€˜circuit’ outside VR and VR will give you a far more realistic visual perspective and scale with which to learn landing technique etc. You will have a far greater choice of accurate aircraft, better and more realistic flight controls, Vatsim and better VR goggles if you go the PC route.

A couple of observations I would make which may help. The biggest difference between real aircraft controls and those of flight simulators is their stiffness/weight. Most gaming flight controls are far too easily deflected compared to those on a real aircraft. Few offer the range of movement available in a real aircraft either. Some go part of the way though and those include the Thrustmaster Warthog and pendular rudder system. There are even very realistic options from PFC (Precision Flight Controls) Flight Simulator Yokes. I bought the jetliner column yoke and twin prop throttle quadrant from PFC when I was doing my CPL and they are fantastic not only because they replicate the controls of a typical propellor aircraft but because the column yoke offers the same range of movement and in the same axis/plane as the real thing too. I’m actually planning to sell my column yoke and throttle quadrant (because I fly Airbus with a stick nowadays).

VR does demand a fairly beefy PC to run well but you don’t need the absolutely latest and greatest RTX4090 either and I was able to get reasonable results in VR with a 6-7 year old I7-7700 and 2 year old RX6800XT graphics card which I am only now upgrading.

It’s also worth exploring X-Plane too. I don’t have X-plane 12 but I do find X-Plane 11 does offer slightly more realistic aircraft ā€˜feel’ than FS2020 does. X-Plane is pretty ugly out of the box though and I didn’t really enjoy it until I purchased the Orbx True Earth Great Britain satellite imagery TrueEarth Great Britain Collection Bundle - X-Plane 11 - Orbx The two simulators complement each other very well though and both offer different advantages so I fly them both.

One of the very best enhancements I ever made (and it was virtually free!) was to build myself a plywood Akers and Barnes cockpit which gave me far more ergonomic/realistic seating and control positions compared to sitting at a desk. Akers and Barnes were two Aussie guys who came up with the design loosely based on the F16 seating position but it’s not too much different to any other aircraft and I know I find flight sim far more immersive sitting in mine. Plans are available online and all you need is a few quids worth of plywood and a decent jigssaw or rotary saw and even a complete DIY idiot like me was able to produce something that is very enjoyable to fly in after a few nights in the garage sawing wood!

Absolutely do buy the very best Cessna 152 you can to practice in. I can’t recommend specific models but many on here can. It’s also well worth downloading the best rendition of the airfield you fly from and you will learn your way around the real airfield much more effectively that way - taxi routes and runway markings etc as well as actual orientation skills for when you are in the air.

Also when you get a little experience under your belt do join VATSIM. It’s a wonderful resource as others have said and nothing beats really talking on the radio to get your radio phraseology up to scratch!

Learning to fly is very expensive - rates near me are around Ā£250 an hour nowadays so a modest investment in some good flight controls and a capable PC/VR headset will enhance your skills as a pilot in so many ways quite cheaply compared to the real lessons! A Ā£1500-Ā£2000 PC plus a further Ā£1000 say on a HP Reverb G2 and Thrustmaster Warthog/TPS will give you a very capable setup to enjoy for years to come for the cost of just 10-12 real lessons. The technology of flight simulation has come on leaps and bounds since even when I was learning to fly 20 years ago and it’s an absolutely valid way to enjoy the experience of flying essentially for free once you have purchased your rig.

Most of all enjoy it and welcome to a wider world!

Birdseed007

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Thank you everybody for your insightful and considered responses. It seems quite clear that a PC is likely to be the best way to go with respect to supplementing training. I have however decided to opt for XBox hardware (at least initially) as I want to assess the value of this system and how much I will actually find time to use it. This selection is also likely to be welcomed by my teenage children (as opposed to a PC configuration that would more likely be used solely by myself).

So I purchased an XBox Series X and Microsoft Flight Simulator yesterday and while I have had little time to explore this yet, I was absolutely amazed at the quality of the graphics. I did however find the power settings and flight characteristics of the default C152 to be very different from ā€œthe real thingā€ - Is this something that other people have experienced? I might end up starting another thread to discuss this in further detail.

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What rig did you end up getting? I’m thinking of swapping over, I am lucky that I still haven’t had any CTD issues and only one black screen issue (touch wood) but miss the freeware and editing .cfg files of the old days. Plus I have never tried VATSIM and would like to.

I got a 7800X3D with a 670E motherboard and 64GB RAM and Samsung 2TB SSD. I’m currently viewing on a 65" TV which is 1080p so I picked up a second hand ex-mining 3060 12GB VRAM on ebay which saved heaps of cash and does fine on the TV.

In total with case and a genuine windows install I spent 4 times the RRP of an Xbox series X. Is it 4 times better? Yes for me is is, so much more I can do with it.

I run it at full ultra settings, TAA no DLSS, 30 FPS locked. This looks good on a TV.

Eventually I hope to get VR, but just the 4090 alone would double the total cost of the system, and headset on top of that so it’ll have to wait for a while.

If the 4090 comes down in price by 12% then I’ll already have paid for the 3060. Make sure the get enough VRAM, the 12GB is OK, I’ve often seen it use more than 10GB even at 1080p.

I have quite a number of marketplace addons and used to get CTD all of the time. I’ve had zero black screens and zero CTD since I switched. I’ve had the sim lock up twice on me, while playing with the Fenix but while on the ground, using drone cam IIRC.

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Just to offer another perspective, I actually started out on PC and then moved over the Xbox Series X. For me, this has been the right choice and I’ve never looked back. I prefer the plug and play simplicity and if you accept the limitations - for example, I mostly use only the vanilla sim without third party add ons - then it performs very well indeed.

I’d never try to claim that the Xbox doesn’t have limitations when compared with the PC, but for me the Xbox has been a really great - and probably much more economical fit - for how I use the sim.

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I’m such an idiot making statements like this. Never let the universe know you’re having a good time because it will always put that right. Very next flight, in the Fenix (as 90% of my flights have been for the last month), and my first CTD on PC somewhere over Croatia near Zagreb while I was just enjoying some nice scenery during climb at about FL200. Sigh. Still, compared to the horrors I used to get on the xbox I’ll count this one as rare.