PICO 4 - My test is over, here are the results

I disagree, I use DLSS Balanced and I can read everything - tiny details included. It’s down to the resolution (ie: in 3240 you won’t read anything, G2 or P4 - in 4468, you’ll see in both headsets).

I never used TAA, you can use other option to get the same quality, with less load on CPU/GPU, imho.

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Since you seem to have both the P4 and G2 - is it possible to have both installed and connected at the same time? If yes, how does MSFS know which one to use? Or does it just know automatically when it’s being opened in VD/SteamVR?

Or is it just controlled via the currently selected OXR runtime (WMR vs SteamVR)?

You can’t run both at the same time, as the Pico will want to run Steam VR OXR runtime. If I then stop using the P4 and turn on my G2, WMR will warn me that it is not set up for VR and gives me an option to fix it.

I think I’ve accidentally before used my Quest 2 while also having Mixed Reality Portal open and my G2 running)… in the end, your OpenXR game looks at the current OpenXR runtime (which is a registry key) to know what to use. So as long as you change that registry key before starting your app (which you do via one of the “Set OpenXR runtime” toggles, like the one in Mixed Reality Portal, Oculus, SteamVR…), you should be fine.

Of course SteamVR is the odd ball, and if you try to use both your G2 and Pico via SteamVR, that won’t work. But if you use your Pico via SteamVR and your G2 via OpenXR for WMR, I think you should be able to leave them both plugged in.

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Yes that was I was doing before you explained me how to change the Toolkit resolution via registry key (thank you!) - I was using WMR/G2 to set the value I wanted, before switching to SteamVR for the P4.

Looking at potentially picking up my first vr headset. Is it worth pairing the Pico 4 with the 3090? I’ll upgrade my gpu at some point but no plans this year.

I think i’m justified in saying, if you want any sort of performance and/or quality you’ll need a 4090, my 3080ti stood no chance at all on the P4

My suggestion would be: go with a used G2. When you’ll update the GPU, probably there will be something better than the P4 to choose (maybe a P4 with a DP).

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Not trying to be argumentative @DaveJK9173 but I don’t agree with your statement. I have had excellent results with my Pico 4, a 3090 and a 12900K - oversampled to 4468 x 4468 and most settings on ultra for many months now. Whilst I don’t fly heavy airliners, I find all gauges to be perfectly readable in balanced DLSS and have had a smooth, detailed and vibrant experience after much initial setting up.

My G2 was sold in favour of the Pico 4 months ago.

Unfortunately, there are so may subjective parameters involved that the only way to know if you will get the experience you want is to bite the bullet and try - but of course that isn’t always possible.

This is of course just my opinion, but i thought it was important to give it to bring balance as I have read several posts now saying the only way to get the Pico 4 to run right is with a 4090 - this simply isn’t true (thankfully)!

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Interesting, maybe the 3090 has just the little extra oomph to get the results??

Certainly agree with the P4 over the G2, if only they had the G2 audio on the P4 :wink:

Hard to say - unfortunately a windows PC has too many variables :man_shrugging:

For sound I use a pair of these:

Amazon.com: soundcore VR P10 Wireless Gaming Earbuds, Meta Quest 2 Accessories, <30ms Low Latency, Dual Connection, 2.4GHz Wireless, USB-C Dongle Included, Compatible with Steam Deck, PS4, PS5, PC, Switch : Video Games

Which I find excellent :+1:

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I use bose quiet comfort with my pico 4. This headset continues to amaże me. Am finding wireless much stable than tethered or usc c to ethernet.

Thanks all for your input. Food for thought but I guess I always have the option of trying it out and returning if I can’t get acceptable performance. Not looking of the perfect performance, just something good enough knowing that I will upgrade the GPU at some point. The current P4 pricing is at the bite point for me.

I got a Pico 4 off of ebay today, basically new at 75% the price, had to try it out after all the positive opinions here and elsewhere. It’s pretty cool, especially the VD streaming is insane, and the lenses are great,as is comfort.

But I completely disagree with the ground details (and finer details of anything outside the plane) being on par with the G2. I was running OXR200 and DLSS Quality before. Trying to run the same by cranking up SteamVR resolution, 150bitrate and Godlike gives very nice smooth motion but the details on the ground (especially at a slight distance or more) looks so much more blurry, it’s a shame. It’s clearly compression artifacts.

I curretly only have a WiFi5 router (next to PC) so I’m getting 866mbps but apparently still a Bitrate of 150Mbps. Is that even possible or could it be displaying wrong? Is it possible that Wifi6 would still improve things, even though I’m already getting the VD streaming max of 150Mbps indicated? I don’t understand how it can be so blurry for me but numerous people are comparing it to the G2 in clarity.

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I had the same problem and couldn’t understand why others were not seeing the lack of detail in the scenery compared to the G2, distant towns especially looked noticeably worse than the G2 and fine details in photogrammetry areas like Rome were not there. I have managed to improve that a lot though using similar settings as the OP in SteamVR and the Toolkit so it’s now acceptable, though still not on a par with the G2’s sweet spot. However the much wider area of clarity the pancake lenses provide makes the difference acceptable.

Ah…thank you for your report brother. As we’ve had so many similar experiences with msfs through all this time i’m really glad to be reading your first hand experience with the Pico4 which i was considering since selling my G2. I already put of the idea of buying pico4 for the exact reasons you just provided but still had some doubts. I am curious about the performance though. People say it’s more taxing that with the G2 and you know we already had a world of problems with WMR. So i was pleasantly surprised when you said it’s smooth. So you’re saying performance is better than with WMR? How about stuttering? Also…i know you upgraded your cpu, but i can’t remember what GPU you’re using atm, i forgot? Cheers mate

It’s just sad that a 3090 in VR will not play that well in this game. I have a 4080 and in VR it still feels if it’s not enough.

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For me the Pico is just a stopgap, as I wait to see if the Pimax Crystal lives up to the hype. I pre-ordered one a while back and now have enough saved for when it comes out. Fingers crossed it gets good reviews in MSFS.

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Could you please share your Steam VR, Toolkit, and any other relevant settings? Thanks!

Pico 4 is also intended as a stopgap for me,just had to try something that isn’t WMR!

I also got a 4090. The Pico performance (via VD) is insane. I did a test flight at LOWI with my usual mix of ultra, high, and Off settings in a modded Cessna with DLSS Quality and SteamVR at 150% - 190%, without Toolkit except for sharpening and color adjustment. Spacewarp off.

I was getting more than 80fps most of the time!! With DLSS performance high 80s,sometimes hitting 90. But picture like ■■■■. But with DLSS quality it has phases of absolute smoothness but with the frame drops here and there since it’s not consistently 90.

Gonna try out 72hz mode later today, didn’t think of that yesterday. Should be able to get 72 locked easily in most areas with GA. Will also play around with TAA.

What’s really amazing is the colors… Much richer and more lifelike than G2, much less washed out and less sterile. But big clarity losses currently.

And I’m limited by mainthread, so I’m thinking with a 7800x3d, a consistent 90fps in certain scenarios is a real possibility. At that point the reduced clarity may be a worthy tradeoff for me.

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