Really agree with this. Also not forget that it is ridiculous to have to use reverse thrust on A320 for pushback at many airports because all the gates are classed as GA Small/Medium and “no pushback tug available”.
As it stands the Citation longitude, 747 and 787 are truly broken and CTD the game or go black screen very quickly. They must be fixed. The team working on the Junkers JU plane should have worked on fixing these instead beforehand.
So long as the game-killing blackscreens and ctds are ironed out the game is quite workable.
If they’re not then it’s just a heap of garbage that builds the frustration of investing maybe an hour or two into a flight that doesn’t fulfil the satisfaction of a safe arrival at gate with the engines off, jetway connected and seat belts off.
Maybe you are right…
Maybe, just maybe, they should have made the MSFS XBox release a true game, with a chance to win or lose and other arcade gamers fantasies and let the PC version mature into a really good multi-User, Multi-Screen, Flight Simulator. That would be a Win-Win for both MS and the customers.
In the first instance: “you people”? How very us and them! Are we not all in this together?
And in the second instance: What do you think makes a simulator worthy of the epithet
simulator? Without delivering, amongst other things, the study level procedures that you
so clearly scorn, it’s NOT a simulator.
I believe what you’ve written earlier in this topic is courageous because you’re expressing how you feel the sim is for you, what you’re enjoying out of it, and this doesn’t sound like resonating with what most are asking for in this topic nor with the topic title.
However I also believe there is a reason for this topic and this lies (interesting homonym…) to what they marketed, vs what is delivered*. I’m linking a post of mine which tries to sum these up:
PS: In case it is misinterpreted, the above is only constructive criticism. I do like the game for what it’s worth, and I do entertain myself with it in VR from time to time. However this doesn’t mean one can’t see its faults and communicate about those either, unless believing those will automagically resolve by themselves.
*let alone stopping all their coms with RXP since March 2020 dead cold, and many other long time renown and experienced vendors of this industry like Flight1, is really not indicating anything positive about “core simmers” in my opinion.
How can we be when we get called childish simply because we don’t care if the default tube liners aren’t PMDG quality?
Seriously - ATC has never worked well in any sim that I know of and I’m not even certain it ever could.
MS has hired WT to fix/improve avionics and flight planning as far as I know — lets give them some time.
I am enjoying the sim for what it is and Im certain it will get better.
Tell you what! To start the ball rolling here, lets you and I set an example by spending less time
decrying each other on the grounds of our differing expectations and more time on enjoining
MSobo to deliver a simulator that can be all things to all men [and women].
I shall start by endorsing your desire to “give them some time”.
Not that we have much choice, of course. Haha.
I can assure you NO company does that in the sense you are interpreting it.
Core functionality of the simulator works perfectly fine, you can go in, enjoy a ride in your FBW a320, Aerosoft’s CRJ, PMDG’s DC6 or any of the incredibly crafted GA planes, no problem.
You are asking for elements that constitute a “perfect” sim, things that are not part of the “core” functionality, which after WU 6 is already there.
Those elements will come in due time, since they are already acknowledged by developers and most of them are scheduled to come in 2022. Patiente is the issue here.
The graphics and scenery are most important to me as well. Simmer since FS4, real life pilot, use MSFS with the POH, charts, linked to my EFB and real ATC. Yet if the visuals weren’t there, I wouldn’t play this game. And that’s also why I fly in real life. Not so that I can go through procedures lists, but so that I can look out the window.
It’s interesting to see all the opinions and backgrounds in these game vs. sims threads. But there’s a lot of misguided assumptions that get tossed around about what can and can’t be a “simulator”, and who is or isn’t a “simmer”. Some people think they’re special because they play a flight simulator, as if this elevates them above the gamer horde. But the truth is we bought a $60 video game, and the emphasis has always been on the graphics and scenery. That’s why there’s a giraffe on the banner at the top of the forums here instead of an approach plate. Apparently we’re still figuring this out after a year, but that’s pretty much how it’s going to be at this point. You’re going to have to share this platform with the gamers, and maybe one day realize that you’re a gamer too.
I hope somebody who can make a difference takes note of these discussions because I agree with the sentiment in the first post. They need to slow down and just work on the foundation of the sim. And that includes the scenery and graphics. Don’t think that the way you play this game is the only part of it that is fundamentally flawed. Every single aspect of this game screams “badly rushed”. Unfortunately the higher ups at Microsoft who are responsible for this are nowhere to be seen, and have probably never even laid eyes on these forums.
My only issue, really, is all of airliner autopilot problems.
1 year later, we should have much better ability to fly IFR
with a decent autopilot system. This is by the way a “SIMULATOR”
and these thing should be priorities, not only the visual aspect.
I do agree there are too many winning around here! Let’s focused
on priorities!!
It’s so often the case its not what you say, but how you say it. Avoid being abusive, denigrating, offensive etc. and you are good. I’m not saying you are, just outlining why posts often get flagged.
I wouldn’t really care about default aircrafts, they always sucked. The thing is that they need to create a platform/allow other developers like FSLabs, A2A, Majestic, RXP, HiFi to bring their excellent products.
I agree with you.
AND, If it is in the cockpit (without 3rd party ADDONS), then it needs to work correctly without US having to use 3rd party addons to FIX IT.
I do take your point.
But I was only expressing things in such a crude manner in an attempt to simplify the argument.
Ironically, perhaps my attempt at simplification has become, in and of itself, an oversimplification!
Though I maintain that the underlying point is valid.
Because, with respect, I could not disagree with you more when you state that core functionality
of the simulator works perfectly fine!
And [my guess is] thousands of people would disagree too!
Still, nice to be able to kick a ball about, without recourse to kicking each other.
Really, I mean, that bad of a autopilot from the beginning for a “SIMULATOR”, nope
not right to begin with, but I will give them the benefit of a doubt! But 1 year later even for
default aircraft, I don’t think so. This autopilot should not be that bad to begin with.
I think ASOBO is missing the point here. Microsoft as been years in this domain.
They know how to do this right, probably not perfect, but not as bad as these autopilots!!
By the way, I’m not putting this sim down, it’s a great sim, looks incredible.
I used every Microsoft that came over the years, and this blows everything away!!
Just think some issues should have a better priority!!
I’m already excited at the prospect of flying an aircraft with the flight characteristics developed by a 3d modeller, flying with AI aircraft developed by a GIS specialist, or communicating with ATC developed by a graphic designer. It’ll bring a whole new dimension to the game.
Yes, I think those are the people that will be largely paying for the sim over that timeframe.
Those who engage with the sim at a ‘high-end’ (and it’s great that they can do so) owe it to the masses that fly about and pay for aircraft and pretty scenery.
I totally agree with you, get it right and then make a safe button so that if an update is released and corrupts the sim we can hit the safe button and go back to being able to play… I have now removed and reinstalled the sim 5 times! I now have a playable sim but cant use airports in the uk as the sim freezes…
