Real-time online AI traffic model selection logic not working since WU4

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Brief description of the issue:

Prior to WU4, the logic applied within the sim to allocate a SimObject model and livery to a corresponding real-time AI flight seemed to function as per the flow chart below, and was working relatively well in my opinion:

Since update WU4, this logic seems to have been intentionally or unintentionally changed. Now, incorrect model and livery selections are being allocated, often seemingly at random, and sometimes even when a matching SimObject model (icao type designator) and livery (icao airline) is correctly installed and configured, as per the flow chart below:

The SDK, in the Content Configuration-SimObjects-Aircraft-Aircraft Config Definition section, states the following in relation to the internal AI model selection logic:

Summary

“For multiplayer, the user might be choosing to use optimized and generic planes to represent other players planes, or they might not possess the correct plane model. In those cases, if the icao_type_designator matches an entry in the ICAO database, the model will be swapped with a generic plane that is as close as possible to that plane, in terms of WTC, engine count and engine type. For air traffic, if the icao_type_designator matches an existing entry in the ICAO database, it might be used to represent a plane from the Real Online traffic. Please check the [FLTSIM] section and the AI configuration file documentation for further information on correctly integrating the plane in the grounded/parked planes and in air traffic. Setting the isAirTraffic flag to TRUE (1) allows the game to use that variation as a parked (grounded) passive aircraft, and potentially as a part of the ‘Real Online’ air traffic. If a plane variation is marked as isAirTraffic, it should be an optimized variation with a lower level of detail, and therefore it should also be marked as ‘isUserSelectable=0’. Aircraft that have the icao_generic flag set to TRUE (1) should have all variations flagged as not selectable by the user ‘isUserSelectable=0’ and also be included as part of the air traffic (‘isAirTraffic=1’). Variations marked with the isAirTraffic flag will appear in the game as parked aircraft - depending on parking spot compatibility like wingspan - if the user sets the traffic type to ‘Real Online’ in the Microsoft Flight Simulator options and/or they turn the ‘Use Only Generic/Optimized Plane Models for Traffic’ option ON in the graphic settings. Variations with a non-empty icao_airline field are considered real airline liveries. They will be used for parked planes, but for ‘Real Online’ planes they will only match with flight identifications that carry the airline ICAO code of that variation. For example, if a flight has identification ‘UAL1337’ the system will first look for variations of the matching plane that have icao_airline = ‘UAL’, and if none are found, it will use any variation with an empty icao_airline. If the [GENERAL] section of the Aircraft Configuration File contains correct ICAO information, it will be usable as part of the live air traffic, to represent ‘Real Online’ planes that match their Aircraft Type Designator. Even if a plane does not have any air traffic (‘isAirTraffic=1’) variations, there is still a chance it might be used to represent a ‘Real Online’ plane if the user set the ‘Use Only Generic/Optimized Plane Models for Traffic’ option to OFF in the graphic settings. The variations of an aircraft that are marked with the isAirTraffic flag will always be prioritized over the other variations (even airline liveries) both to use as parked planes and to swap ‘Real Online’ planes.”

Personally, I feel that the above is overly complicated, and I believe that the majority of users’ and developers’ expectations would be better served by a more simplified logic, as shown below.

Simply put: “If a matching AI model (icao type designator) is installed it will be allocated, otherwise an equivalent generic AI model will be allocated (based on engine type and engine count). In either scenario, if a matching airline livery (icao airline) is installed it will be allocated, otherwise a default livery will be allocated.”

I fail to see why it needs to be any more complicated than that.

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Detail steps to reproduce the issue encountered:

General - Traffic - Aircraft Traffic Type: Real-Time Online
General - Traffic - Use Generic Plane Models (AI Traffic): On
General - Traffic - Traffic Variety: Ultra

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Build Version # when you first started experiencing this issue:

1.15.8.0

Are you on the Steam or Microsoft Store version?

Steam

Did you submit this to Zendesk? If so, what is your ticket #?

Yes - Ticket # 103802

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not sure what you are talking about. They did mess up live traffic by making it use random liveries from our community folder when we dont have a matching icao livery. However, if we do, it is correct 98% of the time. Once in a while it will match a wrong model. For example american airlines a320 will show up as a cessna, even though I have the AAL livery. But over 90% of time it is coorect and if i only use a320 as generic=1 then all will be A320’s.

Before update it was same thing. Livery match should always be priority, not model because the game doesnt have a selection of models to begin with.

We’re talking about the internal conditional logic within the sim that makes generic model and texture selections based on real-time AI flight data icao values, and working to ensure that it does so consistently and predictably. What did you imagine we were talking about?

Yep, that’s the very thing. But you’re conflating model matching and texture matching here. They are two separate conditional elements.

So you’ve hacked the config files to force the sim to use a single A320 model to represent all the different aircraft types in the world? Well yes, you’re perfectly entitled to do that I suppose. If I were you, I would probably have hestitated before I put that forward as a better solution than fixing the underlying model matching logic, but each to their own :crazy_face:

Wow you are into Passive aggressiveness.

IMHO you have said nothing new because nothing has changed since update about model matching. It was never working brilliantly. The way they have it set up has always been about using the generics, but it constantly fails to even match based on number of engines since the beginning.

I put that forward as a better solution than fixing the underlying model matching logic, but each to their own

Well considering every update seems to put things two steps back, it is being realistic. Right now there are numerous groups that have “solved” the issues that ASOBO failed to fix or even things they broke. These people are enjoying what they “hacked”, as oppose to hanging around whining about something.

p.s. HACKING is a strong word, the CFG files were put there to be used and changed by modders. Stuff they don’t want us to touch we can’t touch.

Point you missed is that you said “update” messed it up. I saw the problem before the update. I also don’t see them fixing it anytime soon, it isn’t their priority. 9 months out and one livery pretty much sums it up. They also aren’t going to be adding models either to match real world aircraft. The so called “hackers” should be worshiped.

Maybe not related, but lately my static ground 320 traffic is now loading with a single livery only all over the airport. if I go to another airport it may be one of my other airbus, but 320 model is same livery all over airport now, I use to be able to see different 320 liveries that I have even at a single airport.