Real World Concern — Breckinridge to Mariposa Yosemite Bush Trip

I’ve lived in California all of my life, save for a brief time when I lived in England (Hey Farnbrough, I miss you). I love this state for its incredible diversity of biomes, for the many technological contributions this place has made for the world and for access to the cultures of all the people of the world who have migrated here — what a true gift.

I recently started flying the Breckenridge to Mariposa Yosemite California/Nevada bush trip and, to my delight, it starts off flying through a favorite stomping ground of mine — the area we Californians call “The Eastern Sierras”. This place is just stunningly beautiful in the spring when there is still snow in the higher elevations and the landscape is green. I’m thrilled to share this part of my state with all the people throughout the globe who will fly this bush trip.

However, I experienced something yesterday on the trip that troubled me deeply and I’ve been brewing over it all night and it needs to be brought to attention.

We end Leg 3 of the trip by landing at Manzanar.

When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, immediately, that very evening, the United States set about rounding up Japanese non-citizens and Japanese-American citizens — two thirds of which were born on American soil — and placing them in Concentration Camps. These men, women and children were stripped of their possessions, homes, businesses, rights, freedom and dignity and placed in 1 of 10 different “Relocation Centers” throughout the states. This was solely due to their racial background and not because they had done anything to warrant incarceration. Manzanar, in California, was the first one of those Relocation Centers and it has been preserved as a hallowed ground to remember this dark moment in the history of the United States of America.

I have been there, several times, and it is a place that brings out some heavy and intense emotional feelings about, what I see as, a great shame on my country.

I am struggling here with the notion that all the virtual tourists flying this bush trip land their bright yellow Zlin Aviation Savage Cub at the defunct military airstrip located directly across Highway 395 from the Relocation Center and there is nary a mention of what Manzanar is in the Navlog and most, if not all, will go on their merry way not knowing anything of the history here.

I do not feel this is right and I do not feel it respects what this place is and what it stood for and what it stands for today. I wouldn’t expect to casually land at other world locations that have a darker history without a mention. We should not be doing this here.

I would request that this bush trip be revisited by the developers and either Manzanar be recognized in the Navlog for what it stands for, or the leg be ended at the nearby airstrip just a short distance northward in Independence — an ironically named town given its proximity to Manzanar.

I am well aware of the code of conduct regarding politics, however this sim models our real world, which has real history and this is about honoring the people who suffered at this very location chosen as a destination spot for our entertainment. We should not take this lightly.

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You’d also need a thing for Auschwitz in Germany, the Briar Patch camp in Vietnam, the mass graves peppered throughout Africa…

Look dude i get what you want is altruistic enough but i think most people here just wanna fly and not get bummed out doing it

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Do we have a scripted Bush Trip that lands at those locations without acknowledging their presence?

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i don’t really care. most people have no idea who where or what Manzanar was. Forcing them to acknowledge it would take away from the purpose of the game

Which is flying around. Want a history lesson, go play Hearts of Iron…

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that all said, i’d recommend putting this in #self-service:wishlist so that the devs will actually see it

You’re right. Treating a place with this kind of history like it’s just some random local airfield is messed up. I can only assume the devs were unaware of this, and it should be remedied.

I agree, and that is all I’m asking for. There are plenty of other airfields all along the route that could be utilized.

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Re. “i think most people here just wanna fly” comment, I think lots of people take the opportunity of these programmed bush flights with their detailed notes in particular to explore and learn, unlike the OP, I’m not from, or have ever visited the area, and I’m grateful for the learning, but that was me, wondering what this strange place with a disused airfield was and then disappearing down a Wikipedia rabbit hole for a while.

Having done so I agree with the OP and the example given in objection I think is inadvertently a very good one: if MS programme a new Germany bush flight and there’s a touchdown at Auschwitz it’s surely inconceivable that the Navlog narrative wouldn’t acknowledge any of the history of the location.

I watched a youtuber do the same thing, (at Manzanar) googling at the end of the leg and being quite impacted by an unexpected discovery.. so I don’t think I’m alone in not approaching the bush trips “just to fly.”

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Auschwitz is in Poland.

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Yeah, Dachau would have been a better point of reference. I believe the argument still holds up, at least in principle.