The worst part is that it’s not the weapons I miss as much as the flight model. DCS feels so incredible. Every landing with the F-5 in DCS is intense. Any jet in MSFS pales in comparison, it’s not the fault of the developer at all (or at least, to my knowledge). MSFS just still cannot believably handle certain aspects of flight. One day, hopefully!
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I have the F14 in both DCS and in FS20 (HB and DCD).
I agree with you 100%.
That review was hilarious! I agree with a lot of points he brought up, except the time to release products. There are a lot of developers who have been working on planes for years and have not delivered. When planes get rushed, we see the consequences.
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That should take care of some visibility problems in the cockpit. And it also has new instrument views.
A proper review, from a real former fighter pilot, with stick time on the T-38 ( although not the pilot who tested for us ). Note the difference in handling, planning, skill set and how well the F-5E flies when it is done properly;
What’s it like to fly from Sheppard AFB? | SC Designs F5E Tiger (MSFS) (youtube.com)
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Perhaps it’s because the vast majority of opinions I’ve read you express here have been focused on negative aspects. So in comparison, someone actually enjoying this hobby might feel off to you? It’s your right in a public forum to focus on what displeases you, but I wonder why folks who are so unsatisfied stay that engaged in the hobby.
Exactly. Cockpit looks good to me, but expressing that doesn’t mean I’m doing a sales pitch. (And why I’d spend time doing that for something I have no professional/financial interest in is beyond me anyway…)
I literally said the only jet I have any stick time in (1.5 hour flight, about 15-20 minutes of flying it) is an F-15 so I can’t judge the authenticity of an F-5 model. Just saying having been amazingly lucky enough to feel what a high-performance jet feels like to fly, I have an idea what it should feel like to be convincing. Authentic? Can’t say. Believable to me? Sure.
And from my time in a T-34 and the F-15, flying a sim aircraft is maybe 10% of the actual experience anyway. Without the feel of the plane’s movement, without having to deal with the challenges of G forces, without the loud breathing of the other pilot making your nausea that much worse, without having to have your head on a swivel with other planes flying around you, a sim can get the numbers and the polygons right, but it’s simulating a tiny fraction of the real experience.
Seriously? The plane’s publisher posts in the topic and you guys flag it? I don’t know what Dean said, but c’mon. This kind of behavior is why the publishers have left most of the other forums like Sim-Outhouse.
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I know that it’s very wrong of me to find this review funny but, wow, this made me laugh. An instant classic.
And, yes, the guy does make some very good points.
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You should read more, I’ve written a LOT of positive reviews and positive things in this forum.
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I would agree with that actually.
From reading a lot of your posts I would say that you call out things honestly and the way that you see them. In fact, I have to say that I agree with a lot of the comments you make.
Case in point. I would say that having looked at the video in one of the posts above that quite a lot of work needs to be done here on this addon. Just saying …
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There were several offensive replies to your original post, calling you a liar for claiming “to be an F-15 pilot” etc. It all escalated very quickly. The poster who made the accusations deleted all their posts and has since apologised to me via Facebook, and further posted below regarding the matter.
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Apologies if that was an unfair call. Might have just been because I was surprised by some of the things you were negative on.
At any rate, I’ve been around this hobby since the Flight Simulator II days. I’ve seen the sim evolve from one frame per second to plane-accurate instrument panels to 3D graphics to 3D clouds to deep system simulation to where we are now. So I’m happy to be impressed with what developers have accomplished and if there’s not egregious issues (I remember picking up the BT Kitfox and Bredok Eurofighter in the early days of this sim, definitely agree there are some products not up to release quality), I can generally find enjoyment in add-ons, and marvel at the chance to get a tiny feel for what it was like to fly an F-5 or a Tiger Moth or a Wilga or an imaginary Scrapyard Monster. Nothing is perfect, and the amount of love that goes into creations that aren’t just purchased 3D models slapped into the sim can make for some great experiences. I have an insane library of aviation books and I could spend my time looking for flaws, but that’s not how I choose to use my time.
When the guys on “enthusiast” forums are saying they’re disgusted by inaccuracies and can’t bring themselves to fly a particular plane because they’re using an oxygen mask that’s five years too old or a helmet that’s five years too new. we’ve gotten to a pretty incredible point in these recreations.
(Now I gotta just get myself to stop worrying about trying to explain my viewpoint in online forums and I’ll get to an even better state of enjoying my time! 
I was just trying to alert people to a plane that I’m personally finding enjoyable and exciting to fly.)
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No need to apologize. The key word here is “respect” and I respect your opinions. We can have different views and in this forum we can just write them, read what others think and move on, if our opinions are useful then great and if not then no harm.
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This video was just posted and can help compare the SC version with Deimos.
For me they both lose. Deimos has better looks and the flight model is garbage, SC designs has a good flight model but -to me- it looks ugly.
After carefully watching I think I made my decision: I’m not getting either.
So first off, i want to thank Mr. Dean for having a conversation with me and clearing up my concerns. Thank you for that. Greatly appreciated. On a Sunday too, i mean, ■■■■ that’s caring about hearing other out.
Editer, i like a few other misunderstood your comment, about having only ever had the controls of an F15D in your hand. I thought you were speaking as to being an F15D pilot and you had never flown a T38. I thought you were trying to mislead people. Dean, indeed did speak to your defense and cleared it up. I apologize for going all in on you. You didn’t deserve that and it was not fair. You were speaking to an incentive ride for your service. Thank you for your service by the way.
I didn’t flag Deans post and i deleted the negative comments and questioning and decided to go have the conversation with him via a different means that was not public and he’s passionate about the aircraft and is indeed understanding there are some tweaks needed. I believe he care about the sim community and making sure we have amazing products. He didn’t write anything in his first post, that in my opinion was flaggable and wrong…so i also was taken back by the removal. Now, mine, should have been flagged!
So once again, i apologize to Dean and Editer for the comments, questioning, and unprofessional way I disapproved of the state of the aircraft. I will say this, if you have a suggestion or gripe, go to the DC Designs page and just message the man, he’s quite friendly, factual, and i think he does indeed take comments and critiques into consideration.
I hope y’all have a great night! Thank you!
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I thought that those following this thread would like to see some of the update information. There is a LOT of inaccurate assessment of the F-5E Tiger as I described in a previous post, usually coming from ‘reviewers’ who don’t understand how aircraft work or fly. However, some of the critiques are quite accurate and so I thought I’d address them.
The low-poly interior model, when viewed from the outside, is done on purpose and features on all of our aircraft. The reason is that it allows for high performance on console when flying in multiplayer formation. Not doing this results in many of the performance problems people have in multiplayer, as other aircraft are having their entire full-detail cockpits drawn as they fly around you. However, the F-5E cockpit does have an unusual amount of plumbing that’s easily visible, so I’ve just altered the display code, and the high fidelity interior is now visible out to greater distances.
Other noted issues such as switches not working ( all three of them ) have been corrected. Flight model has now been flown by no less than three former fighter pilots with stick time in the T-38, and confirmed as highly accurate. However, one little bug is rudder-roll reversal at cruise airspeeds, which is being addressed. Most users won’t have even noticed it, but a few have.
More weathering is being applied. Our finish is actually more accurate than other offerings, as Tigers were actually usually quite clean and are even today in most shots you can find easily on Google. “Over-weathering” of aircraft seems to be a developing trend in MSFS, with users preferring to see it regardless of whether it’s accurate or not. My solution is to provide some liveries with very weathered textures, others medium, and some with the light weathering already present.
Other bug fixes are being done, and an update will be rolled out pronto. The biggest one is the “jitters”. It’s caused by the oleo extension animation. If I can’t fix it, it’ll be disabled just for a while until I can find a better way of doing it.
Finally, we can’t offer support here, so as advised Facebook or Discord is the best way to talk directly to us. We have bug reporting and discussion channels for all of our aircraft, and they are always busy.
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That is how an adult goes about his business folks. Take notes
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I bought this model and I’m having a lot of fun with it. It’s well worth my money.
As far as the DCS debate, I”m a retired military pilot. I enjoy flying military aircraft (fast jets, transports, rotary wing, training types). It satisfies my passion for flying while I am unable to do it in real life. . But I don’t enjoy engaging in combat. DCS is not for me.
Thank you to the vendors who are providing these models in MSFS. My experience has been the DC and SC Designs are quality products for the money.
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Indeed.
Absolutely pathetic that Dean’s earlier post got flagged, and that the mods here apparently don’t pay any attention to make it visible again.
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Thanks for the apology. It’s a rare thing in today’s online world to mea culpa. I never even saw the earlier exchange (got deleted before I got back to the topic), but I appreciate it!
Just in the interest of transparency since the whole thing came up, I didn’t actually serve. (But I too appreciate those who have!) I was lucky enough to be the simulations editor for Computer Gaming World magazine back when you could read about flight sims on dead trees in the 90s. Over the years I got to fly SubLogic’s Cessna 310, a T-34B (Skywarriors laser combat!) and an F-15D as part of that gig; as well as get a ride in a B-17 and fly on the delivery of United’s first 777; and fly a full-motion 737 sim at FlightSafety. Pretty amazing portion of my career, and boy do I miss those days!
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You’re more than welcome. I definitely owed you an apology. I think you have to own your mistakes and admit when you are wrong. One of the things I learned from my dad and it’s stuck with me. It’s is very uncommon to see that now a days.
That is probably the most badass thing. What a freaking amazing job! I remember when i was a kid the F15s flying around at Langley AFB. Always was the coolest. Then they changed over to the F22.
Well you definitely win for the coolest job and experience. No doubt. Loving hearing stories like that! Thank you for sharing! 
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