Hi there.
I’ve try to make some score in reno race but suddenly found cheater. It happened on stream and I decided to watch this moment again. Then I got some idea of how the cheater did it. And it turned out to be too easy.
We fly the entire track with the track recording, and at the next race we rewind the recording and that’s it, you are the best pilot in the world.
All evidence with timecodes on video. Sorry I messed up the high score table. I didn’t do it in a race with players, I don’t want to ruin the game for myself and other players. But this is definitely a BIG problem.
I came here to discuss this very thing and guess what? It was the same player that just did it in my race. Everyone don’t play with “Jeff Cat NL.” He will magically jump ahead at the end of the race and beat you no matter what. He has a high ranking but he was last in my race until the very end. That’s not skill, that’s cheating.
Man, just watched the video. This just made the entire Reno Air Races expansion useless except for me to just try to beat my own lap times. I hope there’s a way for Microsoft to fix this, otherwise what was a super fun expansion will now never be played.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We take the issue of cheating very seriously, and I was recently talking directly with the dev team about some unrealistic leaderboard times that could not have possibly been achieved by playing fairly. Those fraudulent times have since been removed from the leaderboard. I have sent this thread directly to the same group responsible for the race integrity of the Reno mode for their information and so they can examine the videos linked by @BRZ513 above.
As a reminder, the Xbox Community Code of Conduct (which also applies to the PC version of Microsoft Flight Simulator) states the following:
Cheating, tampering, and the use of exploits
Since competition is best when it’s fair, a level playing field is one of the most important requirements for gaming. When people cheat, use exploits, or otherwise tamper with hardware or software to gain a competitive advantage, it ruins the experience for everyone. Because of this, cheating, tampering, and the use of exploits is never acceptable in the Xbox community. Like, never.
For example, don’t:
Use “mods” in games that do not allow modded content
Use a glitch that lets you use your character outside of a multiplayer map
Use specialized software to gain unfair advantage over other players
Use Xbox services with modified or tampered hardware
Manipulate game stats to gain a competitive advantage against other players
Use multiple profiles to unfairly manipulate your multiplayer rank
Try to circumvent in-game economies through “money drop lobbies”
Use unauthorized hardware or accessories
Use exploits to “duplicate” in-game items
Intentionally play with or support someone who uses harmful or inappropriate mods
Intentionally “teamkill” other players
While we investigate this issue and ensure a fix is in place to prevent it from happening, remember that if you are found to have violated the above guidelines by cheating, your account may be suspended from accessing all online multiplayer features of Microsoft Flight Simulator including the Reno Air Races expansion.
I am glad I didn’t spend too much time in RAR in such conditions.
A few days ago, I saw a number in a race move forward by jumping many times forward, and it was way far from the pylons! In fact it was moving out, making a bigger oval, but still going forward faster by jumping. I didn’t think much out of it; now I realise it was a cheater!
How can they jump forward?
If cheating can’t be stopped, I wasted £ 50.
I hope all the racing planes are locked and can’t be modified. Otherwise it’s flawed, and RAR could be abandoned by most racers.
Tonight, during a race, he suddenly appears 10 seconds ahead.
On one lap he improved his result at 8 seconds in 9 seconds of race in short section between 4 and 5 pylons.
On the last lap in section between 3 and 5 pylons, he improved his result by 9 seconds in 30 seconds of race, which is also extremely difficult for such a short section
Punishment ideas for all cheat users: drop their reno score to zero, or up to a couple of hundred points.
If everything is limited only to warnings, it will be a great injustice to everyone who honestly earned points. And for those who would like to honestly climb into the top 10, or was planning to buy Reno for playing.
I suspect that most of those who are in top 10 in all categories at once from the first days of Reno release got points using cheats and their accounts should be checked and reset to zero if cheating is confirmed.
From a certain point progress becomes incredibly slow, it becomes extremely difficult to earn points. In the T-6 category, even taking 1st place in race, I get 0-5 points, while the silver winner gets 25.
I can get more points only if I winning players with close to my score in category - all other races - 0-5 points
From the above, the question arises: how could someone honestly get more than 9k points in the first days after release, this would require winning hundreds of races in all categories in a couple of days. These people are fantastic skilled pilots or cheaters.
I was wondering how long it would take the scum to rise to the top, gee not long at all. Coming from an FPS world I can tell you this, once they’re in the game its almost impossible to get rid of them. Look at CS,BF*,COD*, HALO etc. these games and so many more have been plagued by cheaters, and it seems that no matter what the publishers do, they cant get rid of them. Welcome to the world of Internet Competitive Gaming…
Not cheating per se, but I got fed up quickly after getting rammed into at the first pilon. I was in lead at first pilon then I crashed as someone else clipped/rammed into me frm behind. No way to avoid them as I couldn’t see them. Enjoyment killer right there with 6 laps in last place as a result. I think crashes need to be quantified into who instigates/causes them if possible leave the innocent party alone.
I posted in another thread that last night, that during a race, I see someone coming from the back of the field to the front 12 seconds ahead of me in a split second. In that post I didn’t post a username as I didn’t want to make allegations I couldn’t prove. Then I get to this thread and guess what, numerous other complaints pf the same thing about the same user “Jeff Cat NL”, something needs to be done about this guy.
That is exactly what happened to me, and several times. I think those in front, especially when flying in the cockpit (I always fly in cockpit) can’t see what happens behind. It’s those behind who can see, and decide if they want to hit others.
Asobo need to implement a trajectory analysis system, where if a player behind hit one in front, a sudden change in trajectory is seen as ramming. In real life this never happens on purpose, because it’s COFFIN!
In the game, the punishment must be heavy enough so players will not be able to gain anything by doing this.
I agree it can happen by accident.
But when I was rammed by the SAME player twice in the same race, that is suspicious!
I don’t know how much money was spend to develop the Reno Air Race, but cheaters could just ruin the whole thing. It’s in the interest of the developer to put a stop to all this madness.
For the time, a basic algorithm should do, because once they know the maximum average speed, therefore time, then any time under is suspicious. That’s easy.
For the ramming, there may be no solution, as innocent players could be punished when it was unwanted…
before blame somebody be sure is not lag problem, there can be couple of causes, net lag can counted not right and with unstable connect it can move ac forward more than should be, second is fps lag, at low fps counting of movies can be different by compensate lost frames same as it can does with slow/unstable connection… you can try it itself, lock fps to 20 and make 5 full races, then 50fps, after this lock internet to 5mbit then 500mbit if all 4 result will similar so i’m wrong and code write right, in this cases, but it can be another way lag, i don’t sure about this, but it could be… it’s very easy call somebody cheater, but not very easy live with it after know you was wrong, and that’s was game’s cod problem
Yes, that could be true as well. That is why the first time I saw a number 1 jump forward, I never thought someone was cheating. I was just wondering, then I thought like you in your post above.
But then, there are cheaters too; we can see that in the videos in the 1st post.
Extremely frustrating! A few players ruin everything.
If it ends up being like carnage, or cheating by jumping, then I won’t fly races anymore. Even time trial against myself are ridiculous if someone can jump forward.
Again, the developer knows what the best theoretical times are, for each aircraft/race conditions.
So how can anybody be stupid enough in thinking they wouldn’t be caught???
I think there’s the bigger issue of whether Reno Races is trying to be like a sim (realistic crashes) of the event or an arcade game (make contact less fatal an encourage bad behaviour/risk taking).Right now it’s somewhere inbetween with the re-spawns and I don’t mind them, but I don’t like to have to endure them after being ‘taken out’. It’s a delicate balance for FS I think. Not sure they have it right though. Yes I was flying in cockpit at time so couldn’t see any other players until they crashed into me so couldn’t have done anything, and no replay afterwards to find out what happened either. Maybe they need to have an ‘anything goes’ arcade style race category where it’s more dog eat dog.
It could also be that he’s a ‘tapper’ ie he uses a mechanism to momentarily lag out the connection, not so much to be disconnected but enough to make the game re-think his position. This used to be another popular hack back in the day.
In the end you have to wonder if Asobo even contemplated people cheating in the game.
It happened on stream and I decided to watch this moment again. Then I got some idea of how the cheater did it. And it turned out to be too easy.