I plan to prepare the ground for MSFS2024, and for that I plan to replace my 3080Ti for a future RTX 50xx, I don’t know yet if I will go on a 5070 or 5080, I am currently on a Ryzen 7 5800x3D CPU, but I fear that it will have trouble keeping up with an RTX 50xx, on some forums like Reddit I read that people have tried to run a 4080 or 4090 with a 5800x3D but opinions vary, for some it is a good combination for others the 5800x3D struggles to keep up with a 4090.
Do you think I will have to change CPU and take a more recent one? I am thinking of an R7 7800X3D or R7 9700x3D. But a CPU change will force me to change a large part of my setup, the motherboard and the RAM…
I know that some will probably tell me to keep the current setup but given the price of FS2024 I intend to run it as high as possible graphically.
I’d hang fire until we get to see exactly how the new sim performs. The talk is of better multi thread support so that may make it less CPU hungry. It may favour a different CPU to the current sim.
The current sim is predominantly CPU limited so if it has the same bias towards CPU the best bet is to get the best possible CPU you can. If that then causes your current GPU to become the bottleneck then it’s time to upgrade that. But waiting is the best bet.
MSFS 2020 performance is very dependant on the CPU, and at the moment the choice of GPU is largely determined by what resolution / number of screens / vr headset you are using.
Your current 5800 X3D and RTX 3080 sound like a very good combination for 1440p. To noticeably improve 2020 performance at the same resolution, you would definitely need to update the CPU and therefore also the mobo and RAM. It would only be worth updating the GPU if you were changing to 4K, multiple screens or a demanding VR headset. If you’re planning to stay with 1440p, upgrading your RTX 3080 ti right now would bring little or no benefit.
For 2024, no one (in the public domain at least) really knows how much the balance of hardware dependencies has changed, so it’s impossible to say which of your components is best to update right now.
If you plan on keeping the same display I would guess that broadly the same would apply to 2024, and that updating the CPU would be the best place to start, but until comparisons are available it’s hard to know which is the best way to go.
Changing to a 7800X3D allows you to move to DDR5 RAM and access pcie 5 drives. It’s also faster than the 5800, but has the same number of cores and the same amount of L3 cache. If the number of cores and overall speed becomes much more important then a top end i9 KS, with 24 cores and c. 6 GHz speed might be a better choice.
For the moment, I’d get the software first and then determine afterwards what is the best change to make, depending on how it runs in your system.
The other thing to note is how long it will take Nvidia to stabilize the 50xx series after release… and also how long it will take software debelopers to optomize their games for the new capabilities. Remember how long it took before 40xx features were added to MSFS… over a year in some cases. Lots of people spent obscene amounts of money on a new card at release only to find the performance was worse than the previous gen card. Patience is the key, and don’t buy anything before release based on paper specs.
You will need to ensure the case, cooling and power supply are properly up to it as well. Here is a development 5090 (lightly disguised) in testing. You can clearly see the required radiator below the card itself…
Ray tracing in FS2024 will almost certainly require the latest and greatest GPU for decent performance but whether or not that investment will be worth it for that feature alone is another matter. In all the games I’ve got which feature RT I’d be hard pushed to tell whether the feature was turned on or off in most instances, and its certainly never, ever worth the considerable performance hit.
I’ve got a 5800X3D paired with a 3080 and I will upgrade to a 5080, if only because I’ll still get a decent price for selling my 3080 second hand. Every other generation of hardware is usually the best time to upgrade in terms of bang for buck.
But upgrading CPU will come much later because of the cost and hassle. From what we’ve heard it sounds like the 5800X3D will be perfectly good for FS2024 so I’m not loosing any sleep over it.
I agree with the posters above. At 1440p, the 5800x3d is fine and there is no need for a 5000 series Nvidia gpu. Anything above a 4070 Super is most likely overkill at 1440p regardless of MSFS 2020 or 2024.
Most importantly, waiting for the new sim to come out and then evaluating performance is the most prudent approach before making any new upgrade purchases.
I agree. I run a 4090 myself at 1440p and it’s rather overkill but I feel it will hold up better than 4K in the coming years when it comes to performance.
I’ll still be an awesome card in 4K in two years time. My 3080 is still a pretty decent card in 4K four years after I got it. The 80 and 90 series Nvidia cards are not designed for 1440p gaming, they’re both overkill for that, particularly the 90’s series. As far as FS2024 is concerned, from a graphics point of view, it’ll likely be the same sim in a couple of years time as it will be at launch. Just as FS2020 is 4 years after launch. There’s not been much change other than them fiddling about with LOD stuff, which is more CPU related anyway.
The only thing that makes a big difference for GPU performance is VR or multi monitor support, but thats a different story…
Not if paired with a CPU that can’t keep it fed. Going 4080/4090 without matching it with a top line processor and graphics settings that can push it is not making the most of the investment.
Agreed. I’m not buying any new PC hardware till I have the sim installed on my current system to see how it performs. If it’s as good as or better than what I have currently I’ll likely skip another CPU/GPU generation. Unless I want to move into 4K, which I’m not in a hurry to.
I can absolutely say that the combo: AMD Ryzen 7800x3D / NVIDIA 4070 Super performs really well with the current MSFS2020, leveraging the latest DLSS & DX12 updates. I have the Graphics settings fairly well maxed out and it’s smooth as silk during the Sim. The CPU Typically runs between 35-40%, while the GPU runs between 88-100%.
And those performance numbers are while running a AIDA64 Sensor Panel, as well as a couple Air Manager Popout Dshboards (plus 2 Saitek FIP’s). You can view the details in the attached images and screen snaps. Be sure to notice the temps are very reasonable, as well and I’m only using air cooling - no chiller required (granted, I’m running 12 total fans).
The last clip shows the performance metrics, while idling, without MSFS2020 running - low 2-3% from each the CPU & GPU.
My current rig is a 5800X3D and an 6800XT GPU, I fly in 4K, I’m going to wait and see what CPU (8 core or 12/16 more cores) is best for MSFS 2024.
I’m 100% planning on buying either the 5080 or the 5090, I imagine I’ll also need a new PSU because I currently only have a 850w power supply.
I imagine I’ll get a new mother board, RAM, and a new CPU next year around easter time, as we will establish what is suitable for simming by then (and I’ll also have saved up the cash needed for our expensive hobby)
