Just saw this information concerning some instability with NVIDIA and Intel 13/14th gen CPU’s, especially the “K series” processors.
Hope this is applicable for some of the folks in MSFS:
Regards
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I can verify this issue! I haven’t been able to run FS2020 for 2 weeks now and I also have general instability in the PC in general.
Intel is shipping me a new Core i9 14900KF, so we’ll see what happens. Also, if there are others of you with 13th & 14th gen K-series, I would back off your settings ASAP to actual Intel defaults and protect yourself (the MoBo manufacturers ‘defaults’ are, in many cases, over-driving the CPUs).
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I’m running a 14900k with a 4090fe.
The problem, which is confirmed now, is with the motherboard manufacturers.
Anyone using the motherboard default bios settings will have this issues. I have mine set to Intel’s specifications and it’s been running great, actually a little on the cool side. Have not experienced any crashes or errors, and I don’t just play msfs.
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My new CPU arrived from Intel and all is well again. I’m running the new ‘Intel Baseline Profile’ option in my ASUS BIOS, v. 1656. Basically, do not run the optimized ‘defaults’ except maybe for initial set up, etc.
Mattering on your board manufacturer and their BIOS your path may be different to achieve real Intel defaults. If you are an ASUS user, feel free to post here and I’ll give you the processes I had to use.
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I remember several months ago, AMD’s CPUs were just going flat everywhere, and then it was discovered that the MB manufactures aggressive BIOS defaults were the cause, just like today with our 13900/14900. Those companies never learn or just don’t care.
I believe you’re referring to this:
"GIGABYTE and ASUS confront similar challenges regarding voltage limitations on AMD Ryzen 7000 processors, which may lead to CPU and motherboard burnout. It’s important to emphasize that the 1.3v limit is established by AMD to avert damage to their processors. Initially, it was assumed that only Ryzen 7000 X3Ds, featuring the 3D V-Cache memory chip, were impacted. However, further investigation revealed that Ryzen 7000 models without this extra memory were also affected.
Despite releasing new BIOS versions to tackle the voltage issue, both ASUS and GIGABYTE have failed to provide a satisfactory solution. ASUS faced considerable backlash, particularly for launching a Beta BIOS intended to address the problem. Complicating matters further, the company cautioned that installing a Beta BIOS might void the warranty. Following complaints, ASUS withdrew this warning, admitting the inconsistency of suggesting a remedy that results in warranty loss without effectively solving the problem."
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Yes, there’s kind of a tech war going on with the board manufacturers to be the top dog. The problem with this is that the chips are being pushed to where they can become unstable resulting in failure of programs and corruption of the OS (and of course the CPU itself).
I don’t know about AMD, but Intel also shoulders part of the blame. Apparently they haven’t exactly provided the parameters that board manufacturers can use as “absolute defaults” nor have they warned board manufacturers that they might lose approval to mount their processors. Intel is taking it on the chin right now as those of us affected are forcing them to replace their chips under warranty. They all need to stop.
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i14900 here my MSI mobo when set to auto chooses pl1=180 pl2=253 vs intel’s 130/253. runs pretty cool. I’m fine with that vs a few extra FPS.
Intel’s is PL1=253 and PL2=253, both the same, not 130/253 But if you are happy and it works for you, good.
I have just bought a new PC off the shelf. Just added an extra 2TB SSD myself after purchase. CPU i5 13400F 2.5ghz GPU Nvidia RTX 4060. 16GB DDR5 Ram MSI MB. Not having any problems at all running game on default settings. Game settings all on ULTRA Maximum. 1920x1080. FPS 90 to 110 in open country. FPS 40 to 60 in updated cities etc. Very stable. Only extra hardware is joystick.
The only addons are a couple of planes and a couple of extra scenery sets.
I believe it mostly effects the i7 and i9 k series. It’s also not something that appears immediately. The higher voltages cause degradation over time to the point of making it unstable, at which point it may already be too late and the CPU will need to be replaced.
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I have a asus rog strix z790-h paired with the i7-13700kf, I’d be interested in your work around please. I’ve not had any problems so far but its only about 8 months old. Cheers.
Edit : just checking my bios version which is the latest and read this in release notes,
“2024/04/19 The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games.” So looks like the have implemented something at least?
Sorry about the delay here - just a busy week…
Yes, the Intel Baseline Profile is what you want to be running, and you want to be doing this fairly quick as the damage does sometimes take some time to manifest itself. Mine went about 3 months and then instability reared its head.
Basically you want to run it at ‘Enforce All Limits’ but this option doesn’t even exist anymore with the latest BIOS for my board! Therefore, I had to use the new profile. If you are really skilled you could go through all of the settings and tweak them but that’s not something I want to do.
If you haven’t activated this, I would certainly recommend going to the new profile. Be aware that apparently this will not activate unless you first set to ‘Load Optimized Defaults’. Once I did this, saved then re-entered the BIOS I was able to activate the profile. So far, so good… (with my replacement CPU)
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Thank you.
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