Stemme S12 motor losing power over 10 minutes

ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
The motor is losing RPM over time. After around 10-15 minutes, it has not enough RPM to sustain flight. Stopping and starting the motor does not help; lowering and raising RPM does not help either, top RPM stay low.

The motor is not hot, and has enough fuel. See screenshot below (taken at full throttle after an outlanding).

This is from a default setting when starting the flight with running motor on the airstrip (ie. not a cold manual startup).

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:
Stemme S12G

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
None installed.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Every time, ie. each flight without thermals is limited to 10-15 minutes.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Fly the aircraft under motor for 10-15 minutes
  2. Observe RPM slowly decreasing at constant throttle.

YOUR SETTINGS

If the issue still occurs with no mods and add-ons, please continue to report your issue. If not, please move this post to the User Support Hub.

What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No.

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?

MEDIA

Low RPM at full throttle, despite no overheat, enough fuel.

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Have you noticed if adjusting the choke helps any?

The choke is set to OFF (backward position), the prop set to CRUISE mode (but I remember it also happened when forgetting to do that.

Restarting the motor does not help. Crashing and respawning helps.

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Same issue here. Happens both in Cruise and T/O propeller mode. Choke off. Annoying issue.

After gliding for a few minutes and then starting the motor again, it has power for a minute again but RPM immediately starts dropping.

I had the same problem in the beginning.

But in my opinion, the motor works perfectly. I can fly with it until the fuel runs out.
The engine in the Stemme should be regarded as an auxiliary engine. Therefore, even in the G version, you cannot expect the performance and maneuverability of a sports plane.
Cooling is the main vulnerability of the machine.
Therefore, warm it up properly according to the checklist.

Attention:
the engine can also return to a lower temperature when idling with the cooling flaps open.

After a cold start, the mixture can be regulated down again. You can hear that the engine speed increases slightly and then decreases again. The choke should then be increased again slightly until the engine speed increases again slightly.
Always readjust the engine temperature with the cooling flaps and throttle power.

Temperature:
The yellow range is OK, but not permanently. The red range should not be exceeded if possible, both in the lower and upper limits. The upper limit can of course be exceeded briefly in emergency situations, but this will perhaps result in overheating damage.

After taking off and reaching a safe altitude, the landing gear should be retracted to reduce wind resistance.
The RPM should be in the 2/3 range. So do not reach the upper yellow range or red.

Once a low altitude is reached, the flaps are set to -10 and the switch located at the end to the right of the throttle lever is set to “Crusie”. The mixture lever can now be fully retracted.

The throttle can then be increased slightly so that the RPM indicator points approximately vertically upwards.
Now accelerate to approx. 80Kn in horizontal flight.
This is a good cruising speed and will give much air for cooling the motor.
At 80 knots you can achieve a slight climb and remain in this setting until you reach the desired target altitude, which can take some time (no sport or STOL power).
If you want to increase the climb rate, the speed will be reduced when pulling up and you can apply a little more throttle. However, it is essential to keep an eye on the temperature and keep it in the optimum range by changing the cooling flap setting or reducing the throttle.

Important to understand:
Why does the Stemme or other gliders have a minus flap position?
We basically differentiate between spoilers that move vertically upwards out of the wing. These reduce the lift capacity of the wings and at the same time brake by increasing the air resistance.

In addition, some gliders have a second mechanical system, the flaps. In German they are called Wölbklappen. The word is made up of curvature (?) flaps.
Each wing must provide the correct lift at a certain speed. Normaly since the airplane usually flies slower when landing, more lift is generated by increasing the curvature. The wind resistance of the wing increases.
Even with a glider, the wind resistance would be too high if the speed were increased. The lift becomes too strong and the nose has to be trimmed down. For this reason, the flaps can be raised to reduce the curvature to -5 or -10. This slightly increases the surface area of the wing in the direction of flight.
At higher speeds, however, the wing now generates the same lift as at lower speeds with the flaps set to 0. Therefore, we need less power for the increased speed in horizontal flight. The trim can then be set slightly upwards again.

Back to the Stemme:
So don’t try to climb at 60 knots and flap 0 at full throttle. This will ruin the engine. Stay between 70-80 knots at flap position -10 and keep the engine RPM in the middle of the range. Possibly slightly increased RPM. The switch on the center console must be set to Cruise and the light to the left of the landing gear display labeled Prop.Pitch goes out.

As said, you cannot achieve the same climbs as with a sports aircraft, unless you use thermals or updraft support.

Please forgive me if my English is not quite accurate in some of the expressions. I hope I was able to help.

Good luck

I would also like to recommend the online instructions for the Stemme:

You can also find instructions for other planes here:

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The game does not say the engine is damaged or anything but I have the same issue. Everything just closes up doesn’t seem to matter what I do eventually the engine becomes a drag on the system not a help

I was having the exact same issue, after 5-10 minutes the Engine RPM were slowly decreasing, until the engine finally shooting down. I just found the solution though, the problem is that the engine is very sensitive, and Engine Damage is modeled in the Stemme. So basically it’s not a bug, but a feature.

In order to avoid engine shooting down, you need to lower your Throttle, until all Engine parameters are in the green. Basically, use less power. I just finished a fly and for over 30 minutes no problem with engine running. This aircraft needs some temperature management, that’s it.

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I think that the engine temperature still needs to be fundamentally improved.
The engine cools down far too quickly.
The position of the cooling flaps has hardly any effect on the engine temperature, which is particularly noticeable when flying in cold zones. Whether it’s 30°C or -10°C makes hardly any difference.
The air flow during fast or slow flight doesn’t seem to make any difference either.
In addition, the motor temperature rises or falls with the RPM. The temperature of a motor depends on its torque and not on the RPM.
Apart from that, the propeller seems to drive the motor.
In reality, the Stemme has an overrunning clutch. If the engine is idling and you are flying downwards, the propeller speed increases due to the increased airflow but not the engine RPM. The rev counter only shows the engine RPM, not the propeller RPM.

I don’t know if there will be any improvements here. The standard planes are usually a good start, but they are also usually far removed from the actual physical reality.
I would like to see Gotfriends do some more work on the Stemme in particular, but perhaps it’s not up to them to decide. I would definitely pay extra for an add-on that realistically improves the plane.

The Stemme has so much potential. It starts with the pre-flight and post-flight covers, the foldable wings, water calculation for the centre of gravity compensation in the tail,
functioning oxygen bottles (9000m service ceiling), etc.

Let’s see how it develops.

Regards

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Hey, thanks for all this information, I also noticed that the temperature is cooling down way too fast, and that the Cowl Flaps barely have any effect, if they have any impact at all. I want to ask you about 2 Switches that doesn’t seems to be simulated properly:

One is the “Battery 1 / Battery 2” at the left of the panel. What does this switch really do? I guess it switches between the two batteries, but in the G3X there’s no way to check which battery is which, as the voltage doesn’t change.

The other switch is the last one from the column of switches, that says “Main Battery / Engine Battery”. This one is supposed to change the information shown on the G3X, right? But I can’t see anything changing.

Maybe there’s a problem with the G3X electrical system, as it shows one battery completely empty. I don’t know lol Do you have any information abouy this? Thank you!

Hi,
all the technology naturally needs more power than is the case with standard models. That’s why a backup battery makes sense. I have gliding flights without a motor that last 2-3 hours. Sometimes I switch off the right-hand monitor. However, I have never had a flat battery and because I think that the switches are not really functional, I have not yet looked for the corresponding voltage indicators. (But will do it next days.)
There was once a case where I couldn’t get the engine to start. (I always start it for landing so that I can leave the runway taxi directly over the taxiway).
I had feared that the battery for the starter had been drained by the electronics. I then landed without the engine and rolled sideways to clear the runway. But this was not the case. It seems that the canopy position for the propeller was not active, although the lever was in the lowered end position at the very front.
It was only when the engine repeatedly failed to start that I realised that repeatedly closing and opening the cover would help.
Somehow the programme doesn’t realise that the lever is in the end position. It is logical that the engine then fails to start, but this has nothing to do with the battery.

I have the original Hanbooks and will make a few more comparisons soon. Then there’ll be a summary of everything I’ve discovered. I’ll then write it for the Stemme’s Feedback. Maybe some things will be changed. But it takes time.

All the best

PS
With the DG1001E the battery drain works quite well, but if the entire electronic display in the cockpit is dead after 20 minutes of flight (both batteries), it’s not much fun. :frowning: