Sudden poor and irregular FPS

Hi everyone,

This is my first post here and I could really use your help! I have recently purchased a new PC, which has an i9 14900KF, paired with an RTX 4080 Super and 64Gb of RAM. My display is an Alienware 34in ultra widescreen OLED monitor. I previously used an old PC with an 15 4690k and a GTX 1070, which I ran at 30fps locked, on a 1080p monitor. Initially on my new system I was getting 84fps steady with the A2A Comanche over my test airfield which is Launceston in Tasmania. I could also get this over Auckland in NZ. I have enabled FG also. Suddenly I was getting 55-62fps in a kind of ā€˜pulsing’ regular drop. I ran MemTest and there were 233 faults, so the RAM was replaced and MemTest was passed. The PC was given a clean bill of health by Scan, who built it. When I reinstalled MSFS, I once again got low 80’s fps for about a week and now the same fps drop has occured, with also occasional, erratic severe ghosting. Could the GPU be an issue? Would really appreciate anybody’s thoughts on this. Have attached an image to show the fps details.

I am far from an expert but:

  • it looks to me like you are CPU limited rather than GPU limited so to me the GPU doesn’t seem the issue.
  • what are your graphics settings for CPU intensive options like LOD? If high maybe lower them?
  • Road traffic and AI Aircraft can also have a big effect. Consider turning down the intensity.
  • Maybe also turn up some GPU options too to get the GPU working harder? MSFS seems to work better when the workload between GPU and CPU is balanced.
  • What power supply unit have you got? Insufficient wattage/quality etc can effect performance and cause inconsistency.
  • Monitor the PCs heat levels. If too hot there could perhaps be some throttling going on. Has the PC got adequate cooling?
  • What is your broadband connection?
  • Are you running any background programs other than FS20 e.g. Chrome with lots of tabs open or downloading updates in the background etc etc?
  • What aircraft are you using in the sim? Some are pretty intensive e.g. Fenix

Just a few ideas here from a ā€˜none’ expert :+1:

Edit: Of all the above I would check out first:

  • the PSU suitability
  • the PC heat levels (CPU especially)
  • background programs including windows updates, anti virus etc
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Thank you for replying and your suggestions. The PC has a 1000w PSU and was working perfectly until the FPS drop issue. I lowered the global settings to Low from Ultra, but the issue continued. MSFS configured itself to Ultra when I first started it up. It’s not only that the FPS have dropped from what was a stable high fps system for over a week, it’s that the drop literally happened overnight and along with the regular fps drops, the scenery has a ā€˜rubber band’ effect where it speeds up and slows down in time with the yellow areas on the fps counter. My broadband is 100Mb/s and my PC receives approx 90Mb/s when running. I only run the A2A Comanche and the BAe 146 at the moment, which before the issue could both achieve over 80fps over Auckland and Wellington, NZ. Temps are also not an issue. I only run SPADnext and TrackIR in the background. It’s so random. I am baffled.

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Did you notice this after updating to 0.19?

Hopefully someone else will chime in here soon and give you a few more ideas :slightly_smiling_face:

1000w will be fine for your PC as long as it is a decent quality make. Your broadband speed is also more than adequate. The A2A Comanche is also pretty well optimised too from memory (not simed in it for about 3 months though) so there shouldn’t be any problems there either.

Out of ideas myself at the moment.

Best of luck. If I think of anything else ā€˜I’ll be back’. Please keep us posted :+1: :+1:

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Hello, I’m not sure what 0.19 is, sorry.

Apologies, MSFS version 1.37.19 which is the latest version after last week’s update.

No worries. :slight_smile: I have the latest version as I installed it after SU 15 and there was a little update after that. I can’t understand why one minute I have 84fps and smooth flights and the next, this weird fluctuating issue. MemTest is finishing in a bit, so I will look at maybe swapping out the GPU for my old 1070, to see if the fps, although lower, will stay at a relatively constant rate.

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This is a problem created by latest game version. I can see many issues in forum related to a significant performance degradation. I“m in the same boat as you, getting similar figures even if I have an i9-12900ks + 4090 card. I was on 80fps on ground with FG and now I“m around 50-60fps, which means raw fps are only 25-30. Once I climb I can“t barely hit 80fps, while before I could even hit 100fps.

When I monitor my CPU usage it“s a rollercoaster, while in the past it showed a steady and consistent curve. This clearly indicates that something is wrong at main thread level. I have seen the exact CPU graph behaviour in the past with many other SUs since avionics updates appeared, which is the reason of all our current periodic freezings, hangs and performance degradations, as they were not existing before.

The ā€œstableā€ updates are always showing steady CPU usage while the ones where they experimented with new magic solutions to squeeze software beyond its limits so that console version can handle the new workload, are always rollercoasters. Unfortunatelly I have learnt after 4 years that such things wonĀ“t be fixed for several months.

The main problem devolopers don“t want to understand is that to save a relatively small amount of RAM, so that console and lower end systems can have more memory available, you need to keep main thread busy for longer periods of time and more frequently, and dump again a big amount of data which would be faster accessed if it had stayed in RAM as it did in the past. That“s why this solution, even if it aparently looks fine from a technical perspective, will never work well, will always produce degraded performance and side effects such as those mini freezes we have seen during past months and will always require to lower previous quality to keep balance below the limits as soon as you increase a bit the main thread workload. I can honestly understand their wish to improve the situation by using this method but it would be better to forget it and go back to the older methods that produced much better results.

Unfortunatelly this optimization method is applied indiscriminately, so even high end systems like ours, which do not need at all such memory optimization as they still have plenty of unused resources, have to live with it.

Cheers

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Thank you for the explanation. I just can’t understand how I had 84 fps last Thursday after the updates, and like you say, a rollercoaster of CPU usage now. And this has happened twice now. I just can’t sim with it like this, so will park the MSFS till (if) it is sorted. I bought a new PC after using my old one for a decade so I wouldn’t have to deal with poor performance, but there you go. I have read that a W11 reset can help, but a whole day to install everything after I did that just last week, is something I want to avoid.

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Avoid that. It will just put you at the same situation you are now :wink: I also did fresh installs in the past and they don“t solve anything at all. The problem exists at MSFS code level and it will still stay there afterwards as well. This is one of those updates that will ruin our summer holidays I“m afraid, so it“s better to play other games until this is fixed.

Cheers

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You’re probably right. I feel like the sim is hitting some weird barrier where it works for four days, even after SU15, then suddenly gets laggy and stuttery.

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It’s been doing this for years. Every day is a performance lottery.

I have my suspicions that it is a server issue at the Microsoft end, but we’ll never be able to prove it.

Particularly bad are the days after any game updates (when servers are heavily loaded)

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I started the sim after clicking on Repair and Verify files. The issue remains, however I have noticed that my PC makes a metallic ā€˜buzzing’ noise that corresponds exactly with the drop in fps every two seconds. I wonder if my GPU has an issue as I am experiencing the same symptoms as before the RAM was replaced?

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Quick update. I read a post by Chewwy that removing everything from the Community folder would be a good thing to try. I did so and I have a constant fps back. The frames are lower, but this is being reported by quite a few people since SU15 and CU7.

My Community folder had these items:

NZA sceneries
Flightbeam NZ sceneries
A2A Comanche
JF BAe 146
Navigraph hub and toolbar widget
REX Accuseason

I have put everything bar the BAe 146 (which has an update) and Navigraph assets back and all is okay. The Accuseason trees and weather presets will not show in the sim despite being visible in the Community folder, but that’s another issue! Will add the Navigraph apps and the updated 146 later this evening and will report back. Hope this helps somebody. Just glad it’s not a fault with my PC. :slight_smile:

Think the culprit may be Simconnect or something to do with Spadnext, at least for me.

Did you ever fix it? Mines has just started doing this I have changed settings, even reinstalled it nothing is working for me at all and its driving me nutts!

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I gained about 7-10fps back after the last update, but nothing like as good as it was when I first got my new PC. I have read about folks getting amazing fps with 4K, but that is a dream for me. I’ve given up now and am waiting for MSFS 2024. I have too many other hobbies/activities that I like to spend time with, so I don’t have the time to mess about with it at the mo.

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What app is that that you’re running that has all those red and green and blue colors for the FPS indicators?