The future of MSFS 2024

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The method MSFS 2020 used worked well. Only stream world data (satellite imagery and photogrammetry), everything else should be installed locally and available offline. Yes, it takes time to download content and it takes up a lot of space on storage but it’s the users’ choice. Keep only what you use — in 2020 we had the option to install or delete anything. Thankfully, this option is already in development for 2024.

However, the simulator as a whole should be usable offline. Again, in MSFS 2020 there was an “offline world”. It could be updated and improved for 2024, it would probably take up more storage space but again, it would be the users’ choice.

MSFS 2024 currently robs players of choice, and forces them to stream everything which is a good idea only on paper. There are too many variables in the system for it to work at a constantly high quality.

Also, actual in-game assets should be loaded only when the player chooses to fly. The front-end UI suffers because of the current method. The game wants to stream and download all kinds of data (satellite, 3D world, weather, clouds, aircraft models) even as you operate just the UI itself, change aircraft or browse the world map. In my opinion, the world map should be 2D, or at maximum, should only load satellite imagery (like Bing Maps itself). Everything else just needlessly slows down the experience with constant stutters. Instead, give me a snappy UI, a fast map, and a loading screen when I actually choose to fly.

The only advantage of the current 2024 system is that our install sizes are kept small. However, the whole user experience is at the mercy of internet connection, streaming speeds, stability, data center proximity, etc. Not to mention the lack of access whenever there’s no internet, or whenever the support for the game ceases to exist.

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2 posts were merged into an existing topic: Anyone else still only 2020

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The 2020 only stream world data (satellite imagery and photogrammetry), everything else is installed locally and available offline.
It’s not the most beautiful sim when offline, but there is a million addon to use offline and improve that problem in some regions of the world.
Try turning off photogrammetry in MSFS2024, and you’ll get an idea of what MSFS2020 is like offline.
You’ll just need a lot of patience and some time to download everything with a slow connection, but once you have it all on your computer, the 2020 it’ll be yours forever.

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John I like both 2020 and 2024 and it seems as they progress many of our planes from 2020 are being updated by various designers. wish I new how to do that. But I like flyinf and attempting to make an ■■■ out of myself falling out of the sky because i get all messed around by having so much to do. I only wish that the options at top of screen included comms like 2020 and navigation mapd like 2020 had. Not a complaint just a wish. and would like the autopilot back iy helped when I got overloaded. One more thing I think I understand why 2024 is so different and that is because much is being streamed versus being on my local machine it does allow for more content. They must have some huge servers to do this for everyone.

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You can always make up your own routes. Plan out a starting point, a heading and a destination. Google earth is useful for this but there are also specific flight planning apps if you go down the rabbit hole! I think the EFB should be useful for this too but I haven’t used it much as it’s still not great in VR.

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Trying to see ground features through ‘live’ cloud on the world map is a massive pain and just silly. We don’t need weather on this view.

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No dought MSFS 2024 is the best thing to ever happen to Xplane.

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Disappointed in the Multiplayer for many reasons and that is why i used to play MSFS.
I have hope it gets better but some of the glaring issues never got resolved in 2020 so i have realistic expectations that is just might not be for me much longer.

Shared Cockpit seems to have vanished as well, which is a shame.

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The only advantage of the current 2024 system is that our install sizes are kept small. However, the whole user experience is at the mercy of internet connection, streaming speeds, stability, data center proximity, etc.”

Funny that’s exactly what I said in a prior post. They should have branded 2024 as “streaming edition” since the only benefit seems to be less disk space.

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I disagree on that the install size is the only good thing they got going on. I fully agree with you that the downside of 2024 is the who streaming and always on internet connection and I hope that they give us players who can do it the option to download almost everything minus the photogrammetry. Heck I even suffer with the “Ready to Fly” infinite loading where when I select gates and aircraft it does not want to load in but let me tell you the times I am able to get in, I genuinely enjoy flying 2024 more than 2020.

However, 2024 is still massively improved from 2020 when it comes to the flight physics, ground handling of the aircraft, lighting and environment, and so on. As a real-world pilot, I would prefer the 172 in 2024 than 2020. Not only do the users notice a well better-rounded flight physics, many 3rd party devs are also saying it is massively better in 2024 compared to 2020 but just like us they also experience the same issues as we do when it comes to bugs, streaming only, and so on.

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Even with its issues ‘24 is streets ahead of ‘20. This steadfast refusal to accept that, and somehow claim ‘20 is better when it’s very clearly and demonstrably not baffles me.

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I don’t know how long fs24 can run on its future potential when it’s present alphastate is prolonging over and over, demotivating customers especially xbox ones like me.

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I have a feeling SU2 will land this month. Hang in there!

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SU1 is miles ahead of the version released on November 19th.
Is it perfect? Of course not. That’s why we’ll end up with SU2, and SU3, and SU4…

How many did FS2020 have?

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To be honest if they just upgrade world maps in fs20 I would be super happy to wait for su15 fs24 with my great payware planes with great flight models and fidelity on my xbox. Just this, and fs24 could just past by me unrecognised. :thinking::smirking_face:

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It’s nice to have that option.
FS2020 is in my rearview mirror.

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If they hope for a bright future, they have to start working better on basic functions at last. Last month I simply do not have any wishes to start the sim. I fly 99% of my time in real time and in my region. And this is night time. And what do I see night time here? Stars do not reflect on water and I afraid they will never reflect in this game as there are no stars as objects. LODs 100 or even 200 shows me a very small spot under my plane from 41000 feet, 300 and 400 are too heavy for my machine, so, no those beautiful night lights for me. I’d like to fly mostly GA aircraft. My favorites are L-39 and C-172 basic. Both are not flyable in this game. L-39 does not use fuel from her wingtip tanks (an old bug from fs2020). GPS is not readable day time, steam gauges are not backlighted, a kind of a strange dome light is everywhere, the copilots does not have a jet-pilot suits to select and there are no more default jet pilots any more (why?), their cockpit is not reachable via camera, gauges there are mostly dead, needles on NAV2 gauge in the first cockpit are simply missing, RPMs drop with altitude (WHY??? do they use a jet model for this plane or a piston one?) and all the other mess from 2020 is not repaired. C172 basic - steam gauges are not backlighted. As I am not able to fly them, I try to fly airliners. A320 freezes, B-737 MAX also improves too slowly (why there are no light in the cabin when both engines are OFF, why my passengers have to board in a darkness?:)) ), 2024 version of the B-787 is not downloadable and does not streamable - the Marketplace is not able to find it for people like me - who has to receive it as upgrade from 2020 (the same is for Dubai airport (my favorite destination) and 3 other addons which I am not able to recognize as the game just informs me about the number of addons “available” for update but when I press on update button it goes to Marketplace and demonstrates my the name only of the first one - b787 and states that this addon is not available). The default ATC in SU2 beta is difficult to operate - you always have to scroll down for options and also jump up and scroll down to read the history, the first option does not react when I click my mouse on it. AI pilot is limited to radio only and communicates badly - ATS starts to repeat requests endlessly. I do not now how to enjoy this game any more. The only option for me is to start a flight on the rump and just use the camera to look around - the scenery looks good, the clouds are not bad, and watermasks are a bit improved at some places, and live players around bring some enjoyment.

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FS 20 didn’t have any “SUs.” There were countless “mandatory updates” available for download.
And FS 20 only had problems that, compared to FS 24, seem marginal.

But who says that the biggest FS 24 problems will ever be solved with any future SUx?

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MSFS2020 most definitely had SU’s, 15 of them in fact.

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Instead, I am disconcerted by this stubbornness in accepting a product just because it is newer but which is demonstrating all of its design limitations and which only works well for a small portion of players.

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