During Missions, the wind/turbulence conditions are to exaggerated.
Flying into various airports, with trees around, no trees, hills or just flat land, even with just 8 kts of wind, aircraft are not flyable anymore in landing config. Even full control inputs don’t help. This seems to be way off from reality.
As a pilot, I know that conditions can be bumpy, but this is way over the top. As if there are rotors everywhere like during a Foehn in the alps.
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Basically, nearly all missions (VIP, Cargo, …)
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I believe this issue is more tied to the well-documented extreme turbulence found in the “Realistic” turbulence setting because I have experienced these kinds of takeoffs and landings in the same aircraft that have issues in Career even in Free Flight if this setting is set to Realistic. Most developers and real-world pilots recommend Medium or Low for a reason, but Career is locked to Realistic.
Yeah, it appears that Wake Turbulence is the only toggleable setting in Settings > Assistances > Realism during a Career mission. This is possibly because Wake Turbulence is also known to have a performance impact, so they want to make it optional for Career users who have machines that may not be able to handle it.
Tower cleared me to land reporting wind 054 @ 11kts and as I was flying the approach from 5000’ MSL down to 2000’ MSL’ the winds were fairly calm, maybe a 3kt tailwind, but as I got lower to the ground the actual winds were 059 @ 25kts!!! I couldn’t even recover the approach and fly away to safety. Instead, I stalled out and crashed.
How are we this far after a release and dealing with unplayable scenarios that waste hours of our time??
This was a flight from RJFO to RFJG in Japan. Light Cargo in a C172 G1000.
EFB refreshed METAR showing reported winds (practically none) vs what the G1000 showed as I hit 2000’ MSL. Above 2500’ MSL, the winds were practically nil as suggested by the METAR.
There is some kind of mismatch between what the game is telling you the weather is and what data the sim is actually using. What you see in the EFB METAR, what you hear from the in-game ATC, and what the simulation actually does during flight (as displayed on the G1000) do NOT agree with each other.
On the reply above, I did the most responsible sim pilotage I could. Before even accepting the mission, I checked the METAR/TAF at Departure and Destination airports. I verified the conditions were OK (was planning IFR) and even noted the timestamps of each METAR in a spreadsheet. I then used the EFB to check METARs of several airports along my route to be sure conditions were acceptable to fly a Cessna 172S in. I spent a LOT of time on pre-flight planning because that’s what you’re supposed to do as a real pilot. (I’ve started ground school and done a couple discovery flights in preparation for hopefully starting lessons one day.)
After accepting the mission, I spent even more time pre-flight going over Weight & Balance and rechecking weather. Once I made the decision to “go” and was in plane, I re-checked the weather via hitting Refresh in the EFB a couple different times. I tuned in the local ATIS and jotted that down. I refreshed the METAR at my destination and jotted that down. Other than some low clouds, I felt good about the flight. Winds were low along the entire route.
I took off and, while in cruise, I used the G1000 to tune in airports along the way and listen to their ATIS to get weather updates. Not one airport from Departure to Destination was reporting winds above 6kts. As I started my descent, I hit Refresh on the METAR for RJFG just to be extra sure this landing would be safe. I updated my spreadsheet with the new METAR info. All was good and I was monitoring winds on the way down.
Here are my notes from the flight, so you can see I was trying to be diligent:
It wasn’t until I was nearing 2500’-2000’ MSL that there was suddenly a very strong crosswind, up to 25kts. I had the G1000 flying me down on the RNAV for RWY 13 but decided to take over and fly away from the approach, but it was too late.
You can see where I got shoved off course by the strong winds and made a last-ditch effort to turn into the wind, hoping it would help me get some extra lift to at least fly away and maybe divert to another airfield, but I just got slammed into the ground. Wrecked in a matter of seconds after a 2-hour flight.
This is all simply infuriating. To spend this much time being this careful about picking good flights for the sim to suddenly throw in some insane weather out of left field makes me want to walk away from it again for another 6 months in hopes Asobo actually gets their stuff together.
Does it work to just go into Settings, Online, then click off “Live Weather”? Because since I passed the IFR certification, moving the time slider does nothing and I still see METARs with recent times in the EFB of mission briefings. Do you just ignore the METARs altogether? And the weather is what? Just always good?
Mission briefing says good weather, but EFB METAR suggests terrible conditions.
Just turn it off in settings where the assistences are. I also use day/night slider to ensure I have daylight hours to small airports. The only thing that then applies is for you to still do an rnav or ils landing as per the instructions.
Not possible during Career missions - “Realism” assistances (with the exception of Wale Turbulence) are all locked with Turbulence set to “Realistic” and unable to be changed.
It seems to disproportionately affect high-wing aircraft like the C172 and C208B, but it’s also tied to weather so it will be the luck of the draw. Landing in very calm conditions will likely be okay, but issues are usually experienced when there’s any amount of crosswind (with the aforementioned aircraft types).
The one you experience when you start the mission. Some people have loads of turbulence, which you can turn down to low in settings, and others seem to have none?? This game is a mystery!
They are never ever the same in my experience. Nor are the pressure readings from ATC ever matching what’s on the EFB. I never know what my landing altitude really is because nobody can advise on which to follow. Thank goodness for eyesight!
Bug reporting seems to be a pointless exercise in futility. Unless you get dozens of people to actually find your report and vote it goes nowhere. If it can’t get reproduced by them, well forget it. Nevermind the fixes we’ve been asking for for over a year to aircraft and ATC.
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Weather dependand
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Get flipped upside down due completely unrealistic turbulence.
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Still a game breaking issue.
I just took a 172 up for a skydiving mission, and was flipped upside down and went into G-LOC.
Please allow users to lower the turbulence setting in Career mode to enable missions to be flown correctly. Realistic is NOT realistic and should not be forced upon anyone.
That’s a really interesting interpretation on the part of the EFB. Nowhere in there does the METAR depict LIFR conditions. I’ve seen it get weird with the /// before (which can mean several things), maybe that’s where it’s coming from?
But the strangest thing of all is that the time on the EFB says it’s Wednesday the 22nd, but the METAR is from the 21st. Missions can be any time in the last 24 hours, so I wonder if it’s incorrectly applying a 24 hour shift.
Spot-on. This requires real-time dialogue and subject-matter expertise to square away.
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Today I figured I’d give it a try again. I turned off LIVE weather, flew a Medium Cargo and did OK, except that I got gigged for two Aviator Performances for not responding to ATC (I was using fast sim rate, so, probably). Less credits than expected.
I found an employee Private Charter mission (because I still need 3 to qualify for company cert), that was from KDLL to KIMT (runway 01) in a Diamond DA-40NG, small GA craft. I turned on LIVE weather. I looked at both runways with AirNav, then went to METAR, and everything looked copacetic. I went to Free Flight with LIVE weather on and did a few patterns to learn the local strip and weather (prior to accepting the mission). It looked very simple. Now I went back to career and took the mission after 126,000 credits to transport the plane to KDLL. After spending an hour (real time) responding to ATC traffic (for bonuses) as I got closer to the airport, the winds became crazy. My passenger said “I’m feeling really bad about this” twice, and I was hand flying the approaches. I did two go arounds due to winds of 30kts at 280 based on PFD wind info overlays. On the third approach, and fourth time my passenger complained, at approximately 200ft above the runway, my right wing spiraled straight up, and I was able to abort the mission just prior to crashing. I was leaning my stick very hard into the wind with rudder compensating. I immediately went to METAR for KIMT after this and it showed current weather as “METAR KIMT 200054Z AUTO 28006KT 10SM CLR M19/M26 A3003 RMK AO2 SLP201 T11941256 $"...and honestly, that's a 6kt crosswind, not 30kt at 280 degrees (which was showing on my PFD wind overlay). SERIOUSLY WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!
My experience with MSFS 2024 Career is comparable to a FPS, RPG, Raid boss, a nonrealistic No-win “Gotcha” scenario.
I don’t even want to log onto the flight sim Career Mode anymore. About 50% of all missions are going to erroneously crash me, in a “GOTCHA” scenario. Then I lose a ton of hard earned credits.
Breathe…breathe…breathe…thanks for reading this far. I’m a relative noob (only Level 175), and the programmers are just “Go away, you’re not welcome to play here!”.
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Description of the issue:not realistic at all
Weather:the Raid Boss of the Game
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How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?every other time
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Flying from one ICOA code to another As Listed
Look into live METAR weather at landing locationAs listed
On arriving at the landing location, check METAR info vs. MSFS 2024
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[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?No
[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?I don’t know what these are.
[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?NVIDIA 3090 24Gb GPU
[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?i9 CPU, 32G RAM
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