Great post, Asobo definitely needs to investigate the shimmering issue properly… it’s ruining the experience for so many people it seems!
And let’s not forget the ATC…
I don’t have any of these problems. For me the sim has never looked better. After the pop in fix, things are looking fantastic. Clouds look exactly the same as they have from day one, reflections on the water are worse though. I don’t have any problem at all with AA… in fact I don’t know what people are even talking about. Sure I have bugs but I don’t have this so called “downgrade” everyone is talking about. I think people are imagining things.
Before commenting, look at the evidence I have linked in the post.
Specially, look at the videos in this link. People are not “imagining things”. As I said, for those who never had settings on Ultra, use high-end PCs and graphics cards, or who do not use VR, the issues may not be apparent, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
I have Reverb g2… I still don’t have the AA issue. Could be drivers… could be a lot of things including it not actually being a sim software problem…
Not solved. i am not referring to pop-in issues, LOD or pre-caching.
I am talking about clouds and shimmering (also lighting got degraded).
I am not talking about general improvements, I am talking about specific downgrades since SU5. I loved the sim pre-SU5 and the graphics were amazing. Specific things changes with SU5 (and its hot fixes) that caused a major downgrade though. I would be totally happy with pre-SU5 quality levels.
If you don’t have VR, please don’t comment, as you wouldn’t know.
Have a look at the videos from the links I have posted above and you will see. The issue is major, and also visible in 2D (see taxiway markings from this vide). All this was not there pre-SU5.
I completely agree with your bullet-list! Definitely things I look forward to, but I am just covering things here that were “broken” by the lastest “updates”.
I wouldn’t waste time with Q1 - what purpose will that serve, even if they believe it worth answering. I don’t agree with 2 - my clouds are just as good as they ever were. Similar with 3, other than in VR where AA is a problem in menus especially and with the overlay windows in game.
4 is the only question here I’d support.
EDIT - should add that I have the Reverb G2 too and have a great experience save two points - the menu AA as mentioned and the colours are lacking vividness - we could do with a slider or something for saturation.
That’s why i said i don’t have VR and didn’t proceed to comment on it. I only said there is flickering without VR, which doesn’t disagree with your statement.
But the forum is full of “graphics degradation” posts after each update, but not many people are posting actual before and after screenshots, which makes it all very subjective.
I think this removes the attention from other problems with the sim as Asobo has to investigate all these reports.
Good thing we have forced updates. That way no one can compare in real time. Cuts down on the number of before-after screenshots. Makes it easy to ignore.
I never had any issues until SU5 and always felt sorry for lots of people reporting problems after previous updates as I never had any. My experience was amazing, amazing graphics and visuals, super crips VR experience etc. No CTDs.
I never mitigated or disqualified anyones comments though, just because I did not experience them myself (especially if so many in the forum agree and even show evidence by posting videos etc). Since SU5 I am experiencing issues myself, and many other are too. These need to be addressed as they have resulted in me hardly flying in the sim anymore and my VR headset is collecting dust. I am very capable of comparing my experience and the quality of the sim pre and post SU5. And it’s major.
It’s not about how capable you are. If people communicate about problems, and you want to turn that into something useful, you have to show the issue so they can fix it. They don’t know what they have to fix now because your description of the problems are vague and not objective.
Yep, this is a thing. I’ve done many such posts since the launch in Aug last year, and none have shown any material degredation. There have been changes and differences as we’ve gone along of course, but no major downgrading. I got to the point where I stopped doing them because people who believed there was a downgrade refused to accept the evidence I was showing, so it was a bit of a waste of time. Of late I’ve been doing comparison videos, although they also get used and twisted by those with an agenda too unfortunately (especially one where the “before” video had the London Landmarks pack included, but because there was an issue with that in SU5, the “after” didn’t and this was used by some to argue that the graphics had been downgraded).
See here for a comparison I did in June between the version then and launch in August last year:
And my latest pre/post SU5 and WU6 comparisons:
Sure, it would be easier if you can take screenshots and videos of future problems,
Kidding apart some times we do (follow the link for footage)
Did you read through the posts I linked to above? The shimmering/AA issue has been commented on and voted for by over 130 people, and has been documented by screenshots and videos.
The purpose of this post is not to make a aware of new issues, but just to outline existing, documented issues so they are not forgotten in the next Q&A.
Yet… there has been a lot of degradations if not generally at least on night lighting.
I think that’s all fine, but I think we are asking you to recognise that these issues are not prevelant for all users and hence statements like
are fine if you add on the end - “for some people”
Google search and this forum gives a lot of screenshots you can go to the same place and reproduce the same image. It looks more or less the same to me, which is a whole lot better than any other sim.
But we still have a lot of missing features and a long list of long standing bugs.
Personally i think the best and fastest way to improve this sim is to fill the gap it has compared to the competitors.
The trees in X-plane are flat, but here there are hundreds of posts about trees.
It wasn’t just a caching issue. There’s been a downgrade in the clouds. They went from being thick and volumetric to thin and tiled in live weather. There’s an odd blur effect when anything passes in front of them. Upper-level clouds look like marshmallows. The clouds also have odd color banding like compression artifacts.
I never claimed that all issues are visible to everyone, especially as everyone is using different hardware and not everyone has a high-end PC, uses VR or has settings to Ultra.
I merely outlined issues that have been widely proven and discussed in the community, so much that they were officially logged as bugs, and listed them here for the upcoming Q&A so they are not forgotten or ignored. That is why I stated that this should not be a discussion about whether issues exist or not, because I only mentioned 3 issues that are sufficiently documents and logged already. Discussions about the issues themselves can be done in the relevant forum posts about the specific issue.
“I can’t see it, so it isn’t there” isn’t very sound reasoning.