Using menus with trackir/tobii causes earth to spin out of control

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  • **Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 or 2024: 2024

  • Version Build Number (Where do I locate that?):

  • **Game Platform (Exampe: Steam, Xbox, MS Store): MS Store

:white_check_mark: ISSUE DESCRIPTION

  1. **Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue? Yes, still experience the issue.

  2. **Description of the issue: While in the main menu, the world reacts to the TrackIR head movement. After some time has past, or the setting menu is accessed, the globe begins to spin around the axis of the user’s head and spins faster and faster and is unable to be stabilized. Note this is not the globe spinning on its own axis but rather the whole universe spinning around the user’s perspective. TrackIR motion returns to normal when entering a flight.

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*How often does this occur for you? Every time on sim load in the main menu after a few minutes or when the settings menu is accessed

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  1. Start MS Store version of MSFS 2024
  2. Use and interact with main menu in full screen mode
  3. Open settings menu and observe the globe spinning rapidly and out of control in the background around the axis of the user’s head.

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  1. What peripherals are currently plugged in? Please name all of them as there could be a potential conflict. WinWing Orion 2 Throttle and Joystick Base. WinWing F16EX throttle grip and joystick grip. Genuine TrackIR head tracker, latest USB version. Associated WinWing and TrackIR software running in background.

  2. [PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it? No

  3. [PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12? MSFS2024

  4. [PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use? MSI RTX4090

  5. [PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share? AMD 7800X3D, MSI X670 Pro Wifi Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 RAM, 2TB NVMe SSD.

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Same issue on Windows 11, Steam, with TrackIR.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?

Yes - the rotation is proportional to the offset of the user’s head from the “centre” in the TrackIR software. The further away from the centre, the faster the view spins.

Related:

TrackIR is also active in other areas, such as the orbiting camera views shown when opening an activity, but before clicking ‘Start’. This may be useful or nice-to-have in some cases, but certainly not in others (Main Menu, returning to Free Flight World Map when using ‘End Flight’ - TrackIR works for a short time before the top-down view kicks in again.

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This is a duplicate of this thread:
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/headtracking-breaking-menu-backgrounds/666516

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• YES

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• Same issue, up to date version of TrackIR software

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Same issue when using TrackIR. It is nauseating. Create “freeze” button to stop this spin.

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  • Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 or 2024:
    2024

  • Version Build Number (Where do I locate that?):

  • Game Platform (Exampe: Steam, Xbox, MS Store):
    Steam

:white_check_mark: ISSUE DESCRIPTION

  1. Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
    Yes

  2. Description of the issue:
    Using something like Beam Eyetracker for headtracking makes backgrounds and some flight planning screens go wonkers. Locking the headtracking at the perfect moment makes the backgrounds stay still.

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How often does this occur for you? (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)
Every

:white_check_mark: REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Start Beam Eyetracker or similar
  2. Go into a menu with a moveable background, like a globe.
  3. Watch the background go insane with the earth moving at hyperspeed.

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  1. What peripherals are currently plugged in? Please name all of them as there could be a potential conflict.
    Webcam with Beam Eyetracker

  2. [PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
    No

  3. [PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

  4. [PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?

  5. [PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?

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• It’s insane to have headtracking affecting the background like Asobo have done here.

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• TrackIR is bugged in the main menu and causes rapid spinning of the globe and universe around the axis of the user’s head. It is nauseating and potentially sickening. Please disable all head tracking in the main menu. Makes no sense for TrackIR to function until in the actual aircraft cockpit.

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• Same problem but with Tobii Eyetracker, globe is spinning

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• Same problem but with TrackIR 5

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Same here on track ir

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I have the same issue with my TrackIR, on Windows 11, Steam.

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Same issue here, when using TrackIR

sorry meant F12 (centre TrackIR) - should stop the rotation ! BR ! at least until you get out !

Same issue with my Tobii Eye tracker 5.

Head tracking should be disabled in all of the menus and only available after spawning into a flight. It is very disorienting for the globe to spin violently due to head tracking.

As mentioned it would also be preferred to have head tracking off by default when starting a flight so the user can choose to enable it when they are setup and ready.

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@arniex78 Centering or pausing the TrackIR camera does not fix the issue, there is no way to stop it other than going to the avatar customization menu and returning to the main menu.

I got the same issue with TRACK IR 5 as well

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It’s got to be related to the eye/head tracking… but as far as I can tell, head tracking doesn’t seem to be working out of the gate… is there a setting I need to enable? I don’t see a head tracking vs eye tracking ratio anywhere…

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