Where are the thunder and lightning...?

Looks like there’s some lightning going on in the vicinity of Maribor (LJMB).

Spawned there around 1605Z today, August 1. The only noticeable flashes were from the strobes of the Kodiak from 1605Z until approx. 1610Z, despite LJMB having TSRA in the METAR.

Later the METAR at LJMB changed to +TSRA, so spawned again there: no lightning from 1625Z to 1630Z.

Between 1610Z and 1625Z I flew in the area and saw some accumulated cumulus clouds reaching up to higher altitudes in an attempt to render CB’s (all that MSFS can do after SU7), but no lightning in the area as well.

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Yesterday I was at approach to KATL, METAR was +TSRA and what a surpise, I saw one lighting.

Why is it impossible to see those clouds in the sim?
Here they are well represented, but in the live sim, I’ve never found them.
And I’m not even talking about the cirrus clouds, which are completely absent.

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Can you share the weather config you used to create that image?

This is the original MSFS splash screen :blush:

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pre-SU7 image without be my bet.

On topic there’s a huge storm around Kansas City right now, I see clouds and rain in Sim but zero lightning…

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So not current then. I wish those posting images would add attribution to them.

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Asobo have announced storms will be improved in MSFS 2024. MSFS 2020 Weather will not get any more updates.

What we have now will stay as it is.

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Do you have a link to where the developers say about 2020 not getting any more updates? Would be interested to read/hear that as that goes against what we bought into.

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Well, it’s only my expectations. I correct my self. I expect no more updates of weather in MSFS 2020 because they are now focusing on MSFS 2024. All the time when we have been here asking them to fix the current sim weather to be at least equally good as it were before su7 they have been focusing improving MSFS 2024 :wink: Feels like that.

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No way Asobo will update weather again, nothing in SU13 beta about weather/live weather updates, its a lost cause now unfortunately I agree with Perrry

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Check out the hurricane. Plenty in there. I’m there in a F-22A. Light show directly in front of me and plenty more south and west of me.

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Just an FYI, was plane spotting at KCLT for a couple of hours and actually witnessed legitimate thundershower develop, mature and dissipate. Restarted the sim and went back just to make sure it was not a fluke, sure enough everything was still in progress.

Still ongoing if anyone wants to check it out but the coverage is decreasing. Most of the action is from N to NE of the airport

Really nice to see after all of these years.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?

Yes

Provide extra information to complete the original description of the issue:

MSFS is failing to show lightning and overall real weather reliably compared to others that use METAR & global forecast data.

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Airport: FACT
Local time: 2023-09-24 13:40

I flew this last night to check out the storms off the coast of FL, Cuba, and in the Caribbean. Tons of lightning for me.

Yeh there obviously won’t be any changes now, despite them suggesting otherwise for so long.

A shame, weather is such a fundamental part of flight, I stopped playing the sim a long time ago. It’s just so boring without any proper representation of wind and turbulence in clouds. What’s the point in giving us a weather radar if I can fly through a 60,000 foot cumulonimbus in a Cessna with barely a shudder? As with so much in this sim, it’s all so superficial. Even being able to see thunder and lightning is just window dressing if they don’t have any actually effect on flight. I don’t need to avoid them, so what do they add really?

It’s hard to believe 3 years in, in the year 2023, and the supposedly most advanced flight simulator ever released, doesn’t have any turbulence in clouds all the way up to hurricanes. One can happily head straight into a hurricane and nothing will happen.

It completely breaks any immersion and just feels like I’m zooming around google maps. Hopefully they’ve learned.

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I think they’ve learned by the popular claim from users that the sim turbulence is overdone.

Overdone, what does that really mean? I would really like to know. Isn’t the real world turbulence also overdone? That’s why we need to avoid it right?

Well, i think we need to pretend the weather in the sim can be dangerous. Why simulate dangerous weather when we can pretend it’s dangerous :wink: Some users may not know the weather can be dangerous and instantly reports they can’t fly inside thunderstorms and look at ligtnings and stuff like that. That would be a bad thing for the reputation of a flight simulator. Simulators are not meant to be a tool for learning how the real world behaves.

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I think the turbulence is way overdone in the sim. I have flown in small airplanes IRL quite a bit, and even on hot, windy days, the airplane never bounces around as much as it does in the sim. You’ll normally get a jolt to the airplane here and there, but I feel in the sim, with turbulence set to realistic, it’s a constant shaking and moving. That’s not realistic at all to me unless you’re flying through a thunderstorm. So I’ve set my turbulence setting lower, which I find a bit more like real life.

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I do not argue with that. You may be 100% correct about that statement. But the things missing is the information how to make it better. It’s really easy to claim something is wrong but it’s really hard to describe how to make it better and more realistic.

I know they removed the turbulence completely in one of the sim updates. Maybe that’s how to improve a simulation. Just remove simulated aspects instead of improve it?

Now they added turbulence together with options. I think options is a really good approach because there is so many different opinions.

I hope together with the options of tubulence maybe we can have more dangerous turbulence inside clouds in the future.

I’m not sure there really is any way to correct it other than to provide options for us, which is what they did. Some will say it’s overdone, some will say it’s fine the way it is. I’m happy they added a turbulence setting so we can all adjust as we see fit. I still think they should tweak it a bit more, or perhaps provide additional levels besides low, medium and realistic.

However, it still doesn’t solve the problem of no turbulence in clouds. The setting we have seems to just mess with clear air turbulence and thermals.

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