name an aircraft that has been released BUG FREE in ANY flight sim
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Impossible.
A2A Simulationâs simple but study-level C172 trainer was released about 10 years ago for FSX (and got ported to Prepar3D) later. Even to this day it receives bug fixes 
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exactly thats my point he cant name one 
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Why people make a topic like this? If i want i buy when release, its my problem. Like, its your problem if you want spent your time flying hours without learn nothing instead of do anything else, including playing something designed to trully be a game. Useless topic
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whats worrying is the people crying out for study level aircraft cant even work the airbus 320 with the mod so god help us on these forums when the real study level payware come out it will be full of âhow do i turn the electrics onâ âwhy is my airplane not following the FMCâ
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Iâm not sure thatâs such a good analogy. Isnât simming pretending to be a pilot? 
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It is.
A better analogy would be pretending to be a guitarist with Rocksmith instead of pretending to be a guitarist with Guitar Hero.
Rocksmith can actually teach you to play guitar. Guitar hero only gives you a rather vague idea of rhythm and such.
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I love airliners, but, I do not require study level aircraft. I do expect it to more or less fly like the real thing, use the FMS like the real thing (with accurate data), and autopilot like the real thing. Oh and Iâll take a functional seat belt switch.
Edit: The ability to map all the available functions.
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recently purchesed the FF A320 ultimate for X-Plane ( in oder to get ârealâ Airbus feeling ) . flown quite a lot incl all checklist procedures / MCDU programming etc etc without any problem ⊠Real fun this product and very well simulated
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To be fair, I generally donât care too much about study level in light GA aircraft. The kinds of depth with regards to small planes generally have to do with stuff like engine wear, checking the oil, walkaround modules, and aerodynamic stuff like spinning properly. But much of this stuff doesnât really grab the essence of flying, and stuff like checking the oil and doing walkarounds to ensure a certain component doesnât fail on me seems like just extra work.
But airliners are a different story. They are complex procedural aircraft, and if you want to immerse yourself in flying an airliner, might as well go all out. As an operator of an airliner irl too, sometimes having a study level module helps brush up on flows and procedures, and also to learn and deal with complex problems such as failures. A PMDG aircraft, for instance, can handle stuff like engine cuts, fires, depresses, and avionics failures much like their real world counterparts, which is amazing since stuff like this doesnât happen much in real life, and sims (real life training modules) are usually months apart. For guys like me who havenât flown for months at a time due to Covid, it helps keep me fresh.
For everyone else though, study-level aircraft brings immersion and learning. If you as a kid ever wondered what it is like to fly a complex aircraft, study-level is where its at because the aircraft behaves as described in the manual. On top of that, if you ever partake in complex live IFR flying environments like VATSIM, having modelled features like route offsets, holds, or the ability to shoot RNP approaches are almost must-haves.
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Oh my, you just reminded me of all the lost hours I spent explaining to people why I bought a load of overpriced Hi-Fi separates instead of a simpler combo system - You can never get those back, you know 
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Yes, iâve been there too. Difficult to explain especially when they donât look as neat as the all-in-one system solutions 
Not massively bothered about study level airliners but I would like a study level GA.
For me it gives a bit more immersion, realism and more of a feeling of owning the AC. When you know that how you fly the AC affects itâs handling characteristics and wear and tear you tend to fly it a bit more carefully and a bit more like you would in RL. Also if the systems are more meaningful then it makes monitoring the cockpit gauges more of a necessity like it does in RL.
In the flight sim world I think some of us are always after that extra bit of immersion whether itâs better scenery, better weather, better controller feedback, better ATC, better sound and so on. For me study level AC adds to that immersion.
Whilst itâs great and immersive looking at pretty scenery after a bit it can get a bit boring (for me at least) and thatâs when I hanker for something a bit more taxing
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Absolutely. For me the closer I get to simulating the real world in terms of aircraft, weather, scenery and airport environment including traffic coming and going, the more I enjoy the sim. It just feels more realistic.
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The first time I heard about âstudy-levelâ was on one of the mildly-apologetic Asobo Dev Q/A videos back when the game launched.
The funny thing here, I truly never heard that term even though my previous Sim was Lockheed Martin Prepar3D which you could argue is study-level.
The icing on the cake is, I flew mostly with the PMDG 737NGX, that you can again argue is not study-level but is infinitely more accurate than any of the FS2020 airliners.
Moral of the story: have fun simming on whatever you happen to own.
And Asobo please fix the bugs.
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The default airliners are deliberately dumbed down so that people with no aviation experience and mostly children can jump into the big iron and think they actually have the skills to fly them. They donât, but if they couldnât fly them without even a lick of training, instruction, or studying, they (especially the children) would throw a temper tantrum and cause a ripple effect that could really damage the earnings potential of the product as a whole.
So MS makes 747s that 12-year-olds can âflyâ, and folks like PMDG make them for people who want to actually learn whatâs involved in REALLY flying a 747. No, I donât think learning a study level airliner will give you the stick and rudder skills to hand fly an airliner, but learning all the systems, APU, pressurization, proper FMS use, etc., etc. will at least give someone a not unrealistic shot at flying a real one via the autopilot, which except for takeoff and landing is what professionals do anyway.
Iâve never been able to stomach the default ones, since even before PMDG had ever heard of PMDG for the very reason that theyâre just toys that look like airliners.
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You are missing the point. Of course simming is âpretendingâ but the idea is to get as close as possible for that very reason that I want to actually know how its done. Now, I could afford a guitar, but I cant afford a 738 - but trust me I would be in that 738 if I owned one.
So much like how I wanted to actually learn how to play the guitar, a flight simulator is the closest and best thing for me to actually learn how to operate an aircraft. Whereas in both scenarios I could have just gotten guitar hero and also some arcade flying game.
again, he was asking for the reason why. And I was hinting at the reason being âI want to learn how its actually doneâ. Thats the same motivation and âreasonâ I have for everything in my life that I want to learn. So I pretty much jump into FS with the same mindset as I have when Im sitting down with a guitar trying to learn a song.
I could of course just have typed âbecause I want to learn and master somethingâ, but wheres the fun in that 
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âStudy Levelâ aircraft add a significant level of realism. You can not call a flight simulator a simulator without them. Unfortunately too many developers tout their creations as study level when in reality they simply add more functionality to the switch panel, add pitot covers, tire chocks and make doors open and close. True study level, to me, means that if I donât follow the proper procedures for starting and monitoring an engine, it will fail. All systems and the relationships between them need to be modelled. That said, in my career I have done check rides in REAL simulators and we are a long way off when it comes to PC based software simulations. Just remember that even a $10 million, FAA approved simulator is not the same as flying the real thing. Just a close approximation.
The allure of the âStudy Levelâ addon is simply to get a chance to actually learn how something works. It isnât for every one. Sometimes I want to practice SOP and sometimes I just want to go sightseeing. I rerouted my career because I didnât enjoy systems management as much as marginal VFR in the Arctic. Sometimes though itâs rewarding to see the lights peek thru the fog just as the Autoland squeaks a Cat III.
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The OPâs question poses the difference between a gamer and a simmer.
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Spot on!
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Because ultimately, humans gain a huge amount of long term satisfaction and fulfilment form leaning something new. And this feeling is addictive. The more you lean, the more you want to learn. Therefore we tend to seek out more and more complex and detailed avenues to feed this desire to learn.
This differs completely from the experience you get when simply âplaying a gameâ, which provides short term pleasure, but nothing beyond that.
In our modern, overly stimulated, instant gratification focused society, the satisfaction of really leaning a complex topic, over months or years, just doesnât seem to appeal to many people anymore.
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