Working Title Garmin G3000 Discussion Thread

Anyone else feel this project has stalled. All the updates seem to be for the CJ4 now.

Just showing a real world pilot the sim and his first comment was ‘how do you fly without the OBS function’.

I agree.

WT have done some great work, but there has been little change in the TBM930 G3000 since they got in bed with Asobo.

Not entirely fair. They have repeatedly stated they’re focussing on the NXi for the moment, but will come back to the 3000 and 5000 (?) later, hoping to apply a lot of the work they’ve done on the NXi.

I agree that in the mean time, the 3000 feels a bit … unloved.

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The G1000 NXi also doesn’t have OBS.

Not sure why this fundamental tool is missed across the entire Asobo and WT range. It’s been a while.

Ah well.

Sure it does:

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It’s been there since version 0.6.0.

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could not agree more. Actually I fell that since the devs joined the Asobo team… It’s a shame when an opensource community project ends up that way… just saying.

It is literally stalled because they’re busy working on the G1000 NXi right now, yes.

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I too have been wondering about the absence of OBS in G3000?

Using G3000 Direct-to then setting up an approach causes all kinds of weird routing on the Nav map…anyone have the proper procedure for doing this?

Hmm. Why is that not showing up in my G1000 NXi. Is this the NXi which is in the Marketplace? Cos that is what I am using, and that says it’s up to date.

Or is there a later version availabe from WT?

Let’s hope so. :+1:

OK Here is my system. All Marketplace items are up to date.

I ‘own’ the WT G1000 NXi - which shows WITH OBS in the Marketplace.

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The Content Manager shows it as being Up To Date

And still my OBS function is greayed out and not available.

So, all those who have OBS… how did you get it?

No sign of any NXi on this page where all the WT releases are supposed to appear.


Later…

OK I do have the latest version.

Am I correct in thinking this OBS implementation is limited at present?

GPS waypoints only? So no VORs etc? This is why I thought it wasn’t working.

If VORs can be used as radio devices instead of GPS waypoints, can someone tell my how, cos I have one tuned in, and it’s not responding.

OBS has nothing to do with navaids and frequencies. It’s linked to the waypoints in your flight plan. What you can do is set a VOR as a waypoint (or just Direct To) in the G1000, and then press the OBS. Then, you can for example change the inbound/outbound course to/from the waypoint as you would with a VOR, without having to tune it in.
Tuning the VOR and using the OBS would be kind of useless, as changing the CDI to NAV 1 or 2 would have the same (or similar) effect.
Hope this helps.

Well that’s just completely untrue.

Radio VOR OBS is very much a thing, but so far as I can see, doesn’t work in the WT Garmins yet.

GPS OBS may be functionally equivalent to radio VOR OBS, but without the radio version, what are you going to do one day when your GPS receiver lets you down? Guess?

GPS is wonderful, but it’s not infalible.

Why would you need a radio OBS function? That is what the course adjustment knob is for (when the HSI is in VOR/LOC mode).

" A standalone CDI (Course Deviation Indicator) is an instrument that shows your deviation from a VOR radial that is selected using the OBS (Omnibearing Selector) knob located on the instrument itself. An HSI (Horizontal Situation Indicator) is an entirely separate instrument that combines a CDI and a heading indicator. Whereas a traditional CDI will only show your deviation to a given VOR radial, an HSI will show both your present heading and lateral position in relation to a VOR radial or GPS course line and doesn’t have the potential for reverse sensing.

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I don’t understand the point you were trying to make in posting that. The NXi has an electronic HSI built into the lower half of the PFD. In VOR/LOC mode it works just like a stand-alone electromechanical HSI coupled to a VOR receiver.

In VOR mode, VOR radials are selected by the course knob located on the right bezel of the display. That knob literally is the “OBS” for VOR or localizer course selection.

The OBS button on the NXi (or any other Garmin GPS) is used in GPS mode (only) to suspend automatic waypoint sequencing and enable one to fly an arbitrary course to or from a waypoint as if it were a VOR. It has no function in “radio” mode, and will not function in GPS mode unless you have at least one waypoint defined.

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Thanks for your explanation. It has finally cleared up in my head what is going on here.

Three things.

  1. I’ve been flying this sim since before release and had come to expect that anything greyed out on the Garmins was not yet implemented - just how the OBS button looks when not in use.

  2. I posted that link above because it clearly shows the confusion between old style gauges and modern Garmin gauges with the OBS knob CRS knob being on the CDI or HSI in the old type, and the swapability of the term OBS, and the fact that OBS was most definitely used with radio beacons in the past, and still is.

  3. Lastly the fact that in the modern system we have both an OBS knob/indicator and and OBS mode, but the terms are used without clarification sometimes.

I’m still learning the G1000 NXi, but have done a lot of nav on the old gauges for years, and it confused me totally that I couldn’t use a radio vor with OBS, and assumed it wasn’t working yet in the sim. I now see that the terminology is the main problem here, and that the OBS in the sim is only relevant to GPS nav and CDI is used for radio nav. That was not obvious previously, especially after months of OBS not working at all in the sim on the Garmins, and still not on the G3000, which is the unit I mostly fly in the sim.

So I think I’ve got this sorted in my head now and know how and when to use the various modes/tools.

Cheers

No problem! Terminology can be confusing indeed. Most analog HSIs did have the course selector on the unit itself, but digital HSIs usually have the selector remotely mounted.

Having been involved in graphic design and software interface design for decades, I do find it somewhat concerning that a GUI driven unit like these Garmins need manuals which run to 480 pages for the main manual, with even the cockpit reference guide running out at 180 pages.

To me, the idea of a GUI was that it made things more intuituve, not more complex.

And I often look at these modern NAV GUIs and wonder why there is so much unused empty space on the screens, yet much of the important information on them is tiny. Seems such a wasted opportunity. Same thing for airliner glass cockpits.

There must surely be a better design that what is being produced?

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I agree. As for the font size…I’ve looked to see where it can be modded to make larger but no joy.

When my TBM is in AP altitude hold mode, I adjust AP select knob to new desired altitude. However the aircraft Altitude changes immediately before i have chance to push VS button and set the desired vertical speed.This is the case using aircraft cockpit dials OR using a honeycomb bravo. Can anyone advise how to rectify? Cant see any duplicate control bindings.