28° North Atlantic Crossing Event

Welcome to the 28° North Community Flying Event!

Inspired by the Crossing the North Atlantic in a Cessna Series by Matt Guthmiller, Louis Cole and Juan-Peter Schulze, during this event we will cross the Northern Atlantic in GA aircraft.



Update! Read the section below!

Day 2 - Edits, Impressions and Plans

Although I couldn’t join the event on time, because I had to help someone, I managed to fly the legs from Ormond Mun. to Georgetown County.
I had a lot of fun even if I just saw people flying roughly the same route.
There was a small thunderstorm over Savanna which was a nice change from the light clouds encountered on the rest of the trip. I’ve also seen some conflicts of people landing in opposite directions on the same runway, but as far as I am aware nothing serious.

However there was a lot of confusion about the communication on Discord and grouping up with other pilots.

  • There is no ATC coverage for the event. If you want, feel free to announce procedures (taxi, final, leaving runway, etc.) like you would in uncontrolled VFR airspace, although this is not required.
  • We will discontinue using the Flight Events Discord Bot since it was developed for use with ATC. This will prevent people from sitting in 5 different voice channels. Instead, we will be using the Event #1 and Events #2 voice channels on the official Discord under -Events-.
  • Since many people were getting a bit lost by flying alone I would propose continuing the event in one or more groups. @MRSALT did a great job yesterday of leading a group of pilots along the waypoints.
    • We will start out as a group on each airport, then start taxiing at the same time, flying towards the next airport in a formation or each pilot on their own, then land and taxi to the GA parking area, where we will refuel and wait until most of the pilots have arrived. We will then continue towards the next airport like before. Any pilots that have not landed yet can continue flying to the next airport without landing if their fuel reserves allow them to save some time and catch up with the others.

As @MRSALT 's group managed to fly to Easton/Newnam (KESN) yesterday, I would propose to continue flying from that location again today at 1600z.



Our Route will lead us from 28°N latitude in sunny Florida along the East Coast of the United States up to the untouched wilderness of Quebec, Canada. After flying over the Hudson Strait we will make one last stop in Iqaluit before crossing over to Greenland. After being able to enjoy the icy beauty of Greenlands icecaps, our next step will be flying to the volcanic island Iceland. From there on we will fly towards Scotland and then continue straight down the United Kingdom and further down the West Coast of Europe and Africa until we end our trip on the breathtaking Canary Island of Tenerife with its 3.718m tall Volcano “Mount Teide” at 28°N latitude.

Departure takes place on 2020-08-28T16:00:00Z, so make sure to spawn in around 15 minutes earlier.

The route is designed to consist of many shorter hops, so that all propeller aircraft will be able to complete most of the legs. Only the Pitts Special S2S, Icon A5, Cessna 152, Savage Cub and Shock Ultra won’t be able to complete some of the actual Trans-Atlantic legs (As marked in red and yellow on the map).
Also this way those of you who don’t have enough or continuous spare time to fly the complete route will be able to participate by flying only a few hops.

You can of course decide to skip some landings and fly directly to the farthest airport your plane can manage. The frequent landings are only meant to generate some variety, so as not to sit in front of the PC for hours doing almost nothing and leaving the rest to the Autopilot. Also they are meant to be able to group up with friends on the apron of the Airports and maybe enjoy some tea or coffee during a short break before taking off again.
Most airports have been chosen as to include a hard surface runway and enough parking space on the apron for around 15-20 planes at a time.

Map

Route

Departure Arrival Distance Remarks
Melbourne Intl. (KMLB) Ormond Beach Mun. (KOMN) 76NM
Ormond Beach Mun. (KOMN) Fernandina Beach Mun. (KFHB) 81NM
Fernandina Beach Mun. (KFHB) Savannah/Hilton Head Intl. (KSAV) 92NM
Savannah/Hilton Head Intl. (KSAV) Georgetown County (KGGE) 119NM
Georgetown County (KGGE) Brunswick County (KSUT) 73NM
Brunswick County (KSUT) Pitt-Greenville (KPGV) 108NM
Pitt-Greenville (KPGV) Richmond Intl. (KRIC) 112NM
Richmond Intl. (KRIC) Easton/Newnam (KESN) 98NM
Easton/Newnam (KESN) Summit (KEVY) 46NM
Summit (KEVY) Reading Rgnl./Carl A Spaatz Field (KRDG) 53NM
Reading Rgnl./Carl A Spaatz Field (KRDG) Orange County (KMGJ) 103NM
Orange County (KMGJ) Westfield-Barnes Rgnl. (KBAF) 79NM
Westfield-Barnes Rgnl. (KBAF) Lawrence Mun. (KLWM) 78NM
Lawrence Mun. (KLWM) Portsmouth Intl. at Pease (KPSM) 25NM
Portsmouth Intl. at Pease (KPSM) Bethel Rgnl. (0B1) 81NM
Bethel Rgnl. (0B1) Quebec/Lesage Intl. (CYQB) 114NM
Quebec/Lesage Intl. (CYQB) Chicoutimi/St. Honore (CYRC) 105NM
Chicoutimi/St. Honore (CYRC) Fermont Airport (CYFV) 234NM IRL this airport is Aéroport de Gagnon (CYGA)
Fermont Airport (CYFV) Schefferville (CYKL) 117NM
Schefferville (CYKL) Iqaluit (CYFB) 540NM see “Plane Range”
Iqaluit (CYFB) Nuuk (BGGH) 444NM "
Nuuk (BGGH) Kulusuk (BGKK) 379NM "
Kulusuk (BGKK) Rif (BIRF) 336NM "
Rif (BIRF) Reykjavik (BIRK) 67NM
Reykjavik (BIRK) Bakki (BIBA) 59NM IRL this Airport is Bakkaflugvöllur
Bakki (BIBA) Hornafjörður (BIHN) 137NM
Hornafjörður (BIHN) Scatsta (EGPM) 450NM see “Plane Range”
Scatsta (EGPM) Wick (EGPC) 131NM
Wick (EGPC) Glasgow (EGPF) 161NM
Glasgow (EGPF) Leeds Bradford (EGNM) 154NM
Leeds Bradford (EGNM) Wolverhampton (EGBO) 84NM
Wolverhampton (EGBO) Shoreham (EGKA) 125NM
Shoreham (EGKA) Rouen/Vallee de Seine (LFOP) 104NM
Rouen/Vallee de Seine (LFOP) Le Mans Arnage (LFRM) 95NM
Le Mans Arnage (LFRM) Biard (LFBI) 82NM
Biard (LFBI) Merignac (LFBD) 114NM
Merignac (LFBD) Blagnac (LFBO) 115NM Airbus Headquarters at the Airport
Blagnac (LFBO) El Prat, Barcelona (LEBL) 143NM
El Prat, Barcelona (LEBL) Manises (LEVC) 160NM
Manises (LEVC) Alicante (LEAL) 73NM
Alicante (LEAL) Almeria (LEAM) 122NM
Almeria (LEAM) Gibraltar AB (LXGB) 150NM
Gibraltar AB (LXGB) Saiss (GMFF) 135NM
Saiss (GMFF) Mohammed V, Casablanca (GMMN) 135NM
Mohammed V, Casablanca (GMMN) Menara (GMMX) 108NM
Menara (GMMX) Al-Massira Intl. (GMAD) 105NM
Al-Massira Intl. (GMAD) Page Blanche/Tan Tan (GMAT) 145NM
Page Blanche/Tan Tan (GMAT) Lanzarote (GCRR) 132NM
Lanzarote (GCRR) Fuerteventura (GCFV) 33NM
Fuerteventura (GCFV) Gran Canaria (GCLP) 86NM
Gran Canaria (GCLP) Tenerife Norte/Los Rodeos (GCXO) 60NM
Tenerife Norte/Los Rodeos (GCXO) Tenerife Sur/Reina Sofia (GCTS) 29NM

Plane Range

As stated before, the route is designed in a way that all planes should be able to fly most legs with their available range. However, this is not always possible due to a lack of airports in e.g. province of Quebec or the legs being transoceanic.
Therefore, the following planes will not be able to (safely) fly these legs:

Plane Range From To Distance
Pitts Special S2S, Shock Ultra 298NM, 323NM BGKK BIRF 336NM
Savage Cub 377NM BGGH BGKK 379NM
Cessna 152, Icon A5 415NM, 427NM CYFB BGGH 444NM
BIHN EGPM 450NM
Robin DR400 550NM CYKL CYFB 540NM

Below is a graph which shows the cumulative amount of legs on the y-Axis and their respective lengths in NM on the x-Axis along with red lines marking the maximum range of the relevant planes.

You may be able to shorten some of these legs as indicated on the MyMap by the green icons. However these marked airfields are currently missing in the sim, so you would have to land on a empty/grassy field and pretend that there is an airport there which you would be able to refuel at.

Sights

Sights are marked on the MyMap as red icons, each icon representing the type of the sight. These are for those of you who want to do some VFR sightseeing parallel to travelling from A to B.
Since I have not been to most of these places and it is very time consuming looking up possible sights which are relevant to VFR pilots, I would invite you to reply with sights or places along the route you know by copy-pasting the following format:

Name Type Location (Coordinates or Plus Code)
example1 golf club west from city xyz 44°51’00.4"N 0°34’17.4"W; VC2H+29

I will then be able to add them to the map for everyone else to see.

Simulator Setup

Server: East USA
Multiplayer: All-Players
Live traffic: No
Weather: Live Weather
Time: Live

Remember to re-select all of the options in the settings if they are already selected.

As stated above, we will use Live-Weather. If the weather becomes too unfavorable to continue for multiple days, we will announce to switch to a specific preset.

Communication

We will be using the text and voice channels under -[Flight Events]- on the Official MSFS Discord

Under fe-guide you will find instructions for the Flight Events Discord Bot, which after you have linked your Discord account with it, will move you to the room corresponding to the COM1 frequency you have set in MSFS. Instructions for Flight Events and Discord-connection can be found here: Flight Events manual

EDIT: We will be using the text and both voice channels (Events #1 and Events #2) under -[Events]- on the Official MSFS Discord .

Flight Tracking and Multiplayer

Other players are visible on the map, but not very noticeable yet. Therefore we will use the Flight Events app and its website. https://events.flighttracker.tech/

This is meant to be a semi-realistic event. Everybody is welcome, no matter the amount of experience. However, please adhere to some general rules:

  1. Do not spawn on the runway. Use the “Zoom into Details” function in the world view to select a gate or ramp.
  2. Do not use Slew unless needed. You may use slew to change the gate/ramp you spawned in to avoid restarting, in case it is already occupied by another player.
  3. Fly traffic patterns. This helps avoid frustrating situations due to traffic conflicts.
  4. Watch out for traffic. Do not taxi onto the runway if there is a plane on short final or the runway and vice versa, don’t land/go around if other planes are still on the runway or on final in front of you.
  5. Do not take off on taxiways and do not overtake other taxiing aircraft.
  6. Avoid erratic maneuvers as well as aerobatics.
  7. Keep your distance to other planes unless you directly coordinated a formation flight with them.

EDIT:

  1. Use the active runway for takeoff and landing. You can get the active runway either from ATIS or by looking at the wind direction. Always land into the wind and not in the opposite direction.

Footage

We would like to create a short movie of the event afterwards. For that it would really help if you could save a few videos from your flights, preferably without HUD or any other UI elements. Maybe even with audio from communicating with other players, although make sure to get their consent first.
You can send me a link to your footage via Discord (Jolly#7806).

Conclusion

If there are any questions, you can post them as a reply under this post or ask me directly on Discord (Jolly#7806).

Safe landings and stay healthy!

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Sounds cool

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Be aware that there is a known CTD issue associated with flights near Reykjavik .

Search for Reykjavik in these forums to see more detail. Looks like a good flight though!

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I flew into and out of Reykjavik with no issues but still if people have CTD might be scary.
This is awesome , good luck !!! Plz post pics or video highlights

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That sounds pretty interesting! Looking definitely forward into it

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I look forward to this flight.

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Is there going to be a flight plan available for this? One we can upload that is?

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total noob at community flying, so, how exactly does this work?
Its a long flight, I’m guessing no one will do it in one stretch? Are we supposed to log out/in at different times and play?

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Looks like fun but due to the toxic voice chat environment from the last event I will be sitting this one out until there is some kind of voice chat moderation… Didn’t really wanna hear a bunch of kids cursing each other out, calling people names and saying f your mum during my takeoff and flight.

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Heya @LethalLotus , I haven’t been taking part in the community events as of yet, so I am not really familiar with the voice chat environments yet. Could you maybe give me a bit more information and maybe share some ideas for alternative communication/voice opportunities?

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Hey Jolly! I think the Discord bot integration for ATC is great but what is not great is it sometimes tosses you out of the proper ATC channel into a general voice channel… The general voice channel is sort of a waiting room before takeoff and very very toxic…It would help if at least t 1 MSFS 2020 Discord mod can be in the channel to remove toxic people…ATC should also be doing the same thing in their assigned ATC voice channel.

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You can of course fly the whole route at once if you have the time and energy. Otherwise I would recommend that you group up with some people who have about as much time as you and coordinate your legs with them.
I myself will probably fly from the afternoon until the late evening of friday, saturday and sunday.

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Please ping a couple of Discord mods that look available if there is anybody causing trouble. Just don’t ping all the mods at the same time.

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I’ve used LittleNavmap to create the route. It didn’t have Fermont listed, but once I imported the plan into MSFS, I was able to insert that airport.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFshfZAPNbjgxVzESsbcAtk0Ikt?e=HeMUbB

It has the native LNV file, and the files that comprise the MSFS created plan, with Fermont added.

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For anybody who wants a flight plan to load in Microsoft Flight Simulator, I have created a .flt flight plan for this event. It can be downloaded from Google Drive here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EZG9F9Tr9kc0aEF9DDP5GYJVBe-MrV5L?usp=sharing

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Looks like a solid route !!!

In XP, I flew from Quatam river, South then East across Texas, through the southern states, down though Miami, SE across the Caribbean islands, landing on the coast of South America. This took the best part of a week in Kodiak.

This route looks about half as long again. According to my LittleNavmap route it is 7,027nm, minus the little diversion for the missing Fermont leg, but that wouldn’t add much.

My US trip in the Quest Kodiak was 6,015nm, so fairly close to this one.

It will vary per aircraft of course, but I just completed a trip from KPSN to 2I0, overflying Hurricane Laura. That was 523nm, which took 1 hour 55 minutes with a few tiny detours, in a TBM 930 at 40,000ft @ roughly 330TAS.

Do you still have the flt plan for this? the Kodiak is one of my favorite planes in XPlane. I just might have to do this some time.

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I sure do!

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFshfZAPNbjgxZ5GUQ76-yVXNBU?e=yQb4nG

Be aware that my starting point was a custom waypoint, as it was the Propstrike Studios Quatam River payware, and not in XP by default. Or MSFS for that matter, although a kind of aitrstrip is there, it is not flat by any means! :slight_smile:

Also, everything before KEAT is from memory, as it wasn’t until after that I decided to keep this as a kind of log. It was not planned, I just picked a direction, and as I saw somewhere interesting, and decided to land there, I appended it to the plan, so it grew organically.

There is also a short detour between KPRC, and the Winslow VORTAC (INW). This is listed as user waypoint WP3. This was because I wanted to visit Meteor Crater, which looks rubbish in XP, but really well done in MSFS. I’m glad to see some images I took of it in MSFS are now on Google Images! :slight_smile:

A link to the thread where I have been uploading imagery, and videos.

Nice i will be joining too!