3060 12GB vs 2060 Super performance at 4K

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Hi there,

Does anybody know if the 3060 12GB will perform better, or at least the same in MSFS at 4K, compared to the 2060 Super 8GB?

On average/in other games the 3060 12GB gives single digit improvements (fps wise) at 1080p/1440p mostly, but i can’t find any benchmarks for MSFS, and other games, at 4K resolution.
It has better specs in all areas, except for the memory interface: 256bit / 448GB/sec for the 2060 Super, and only 192bit / 360GB/sec) for the 3060 12GB, and that might be a problem when playing at 4K resolution.
(and it also has 2 less ray tracing cores i think, but that won’t be to much of a problem for me)
Normally i play at 1440p, but for my MSFS cinematic Youtube videos i’m playing/recording in 4K.

I’m thinking about selling my 2060 Super.
If i can still get € 225,- for it that is, because than i can buy a new 3060 12GB for € 300,-, so it will only cost me € 75,-.
Gotta be pretty quick about it i think, because when the 4060 releases the second hand prices for the 2060 Super will probably drop quite a bit.
Thought it might be a nice and cheap little upgrade if the 192bit memory interface isn’t a bottleneck.
MSFS likes VRAM, as does Stable Diffusion, which i’m messing around with too lately.
I’m planning on doing a bigger upgrade in about a year from now, because i don’t like where things are at with the current GPU market situation (Nvidia) and i need to save up some more money as well.

4000 series is a mess; not enough VRAM < 4080, way too expensive for what you get (except for the 4090, but that’s too much money for me), big nerf on memory interface (128 bit for 4060Ti for example, and only PCI-e 4.0x8, so with a PCI-e 3.0x16 slot like i have on my motherboard it’s pointless).

I would still like a little (and cheap) performance boost for now though (until my next upgrade in about a years time), and more importantly, a VRAM upgrade, so i figured maybe this would be my only option if i want that, and not spend more than € 75,-
And then save up more money for a year, and hopefully there will be more/better (value) options in about a year from now.

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Try https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/

I think you’d be better off with a 4070 (wait for prices to drop more). Avoid the 4060, according to gamersnexus.

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When i’m gonna go for the big/more expensive upgrade (in about a year) it is going to be at least a 4080.
4070 performs worse than a 3080 in MSFS at 4K.
I’m not gonna pay € 700,- for that in 2023.
Neither am i gonna pay € 700(4070)/€ 900(4070Ti) for a GPU with only 12GB VRAM in 2023.

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No it’s not. 4070Ti is on pair with 3090Ti and even faster with frame gen on.
I don’t see any reasons buying RTX 3* series anymore

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You don’t always need the absolute latest and greatest. With DLSS, I get ~90 FPS in good weather and over 100 if I zoom in on the back of my seat. In bad weather, I still get over 50. My hardware? Not exactly the hottest…

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 12-Core Processor
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
32GB DDR5 RAM

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I had a 2060super. I’m now using an RX6800 nearly 7 months in until I can get a better card. My experience with the rx6800 is almost double the performance of the rtx2060super. Too bad it doesn’t have Nvidia’s tech but raster wise it’s much better than my 2060super in most games.

What ever you get don’t get an 8gb card.

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It does actually.
3080 is 50% faster/50% more fps compared to a 4070 in MSFS at 4K.
Your benchmark picture doesn’t even show the 4070.
Here’s the right one:

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https://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-rtx-4070-graphics-card-review/19/

3000 series does still make sense in a lot of scenarios and especially in MSFS and/or when gaming at 4K (or 1440p for that matter).
A second hand 3080 for example can be bought for < € 500,-
And that will get you basically the exact same performance as a € 900,- 4070Ti in MSFS, and (way) better performance than a € 700,- 4070 in MSFS at 4K.
And also on average the 3080 is the better option compared to the 4070 when playing other games in resolutions anything above 1920x1080.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U329QPrvqDg

I also don’t really care for the fake frames frame gen stuff, i want real frames/actual raw performance.

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Yeah, a 3070 would be the other option for me for now. (it’s € 300,- second hand, same as 3060 12GB new so that would also be a€ 75,- upgrade for me if i can sell my 2060 Super for € 225,-
That would give an actual noticable fps boost across the board compared to my 2060 Super but then i still have 8GB VRAM card and that doesn’t help me much with Stable Diffusion then.

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So what? Your question was

3060, not 3080

Your own link Nvidia RTX 4070 Graphics Card Review - Page 19 - eTeknix shows the 4070 outperforms both the 3060 & 3060ti at @2k and 4K. It also outstrips the 3070/ti.

I’d never touch a second hand GPU with a 50m pole, unless perhaps it was free!

Also, you don’t compare generations just in terms of raw game performance.
Power, heat, etc other issues all come into play.

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Yeah, raster wise that’s a better option.
But for Stable Diffusion you kinda need/want an Nvidia GPU so in this particular case (wanting a little upgrade for MSFS 4K + Stable Diffusion) + i’m not a big AMD fan after having problems with those cards in the past, which was never the case for me with Nvidia cards.

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Did you even read the replies from other people in this thread?
Ofcourse a 4070 will outperform a 3060/3060Ti, i’m not saying it’s not.

I was replying to other people (that was you even, i think) saying a 4070 would be a better option for me, explaining why it is not.
And as long as heat/power usage is manageable, i don’t care about it.
It’s performance that matters.

This thread is about a cheap € 75,- ish upgrade, not a € 700,- one (which a 4070 would cost, or maybe € 500,- after selling my 2060 Super).

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Do you?

You specifcally were talking about a 3060, which is what I replied to. 3080 never even came into it.
And as I also said above:

But, whatever.

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I’m not gonna reply to all of that mate.
The bottleneck link you provide doesn’t provide an answer to my initial question and i already explained why i was talking about the 4070(Ti)/3080.
Also your whole story/all the screenshots about your own PC doesn’t contribute to this thread in any way.

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Good for you!

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You mad bro?
The things you say just don’t make sense (to me).
Talking about a € 700,- 4070 upgrade (Which would be a bad choice in my use case anyway. Not enough VRAM for that kind of money, and a cheaper second hand 3080 outperforms it big time, especially @ 4K in MSFS) when this topic is first and foremost about a specific € 75,- upgrade.
(deleted my previous post where i said the same thing because i just figured out how to use the quote function on this forum :slight_smile: )

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Agreed to disagree. You’ve been fed with lies by the mainstream media although AMD has been bad in the past that’s no longer a big issue.My AMD all build has been a better and stable experience better than my previous Intel and Nvidia setup :+1:

Glad I made the switch. If I’m going Nvidia might as well get the best card you can afford otherwise you’ll keep upgrading every gen with their midrange cards. Won’t be doing that again.

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My all AMD build, RX6800XT with Ryzen 7 5800X3D , B550 , 32gb 3600 ram performs much better then my ex Intel Nvidia ( RTX 3070) 11th gen i7. Both in 4k and VR.
It was much cheaper too…

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Not mad at all.

It’s just there’s a lot of technical inaccuracies in what you’re claiming.

eg: 4070 vs 3080 and you claim the 3080 is 50% “better” than the 4070 in 4K based on one test article.

That doesn’t hold up to further research. While the 4070 is a 2K sweetspot card, and the 3080 has an edge on 4K, it’s nowhere near “50% better” @4k - something which is also no doubt very dependant on system configuration. Not to mention the other technical aspects you blow off because you don’t care, but are actually important technical comparison elements that need to be considered when properly evaluating/comparing solutions.

Your claims about AMD cards are also not objectively accurate.

I totally get what you’re saying about a cheap second hand trade in strategy, but your technical arguments around that seem based on some non-objective opinion, not objective data from multiple sources.

But whatever, good luck with your tradein.

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Hi, how does one enable 4K on a 2060 super, thanks.

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Ok, good that you’re not mad :slight_smile:

But bruv, i don’t know what you want me to say.
You say there’s a lot of technical inaccuracies in what i’m saying, whille not providing any information/data to substantiate that claim.

And all of that while i have provided several links (like this one) to actual review/benchmark where they tested the 3080 vs 4070, and where it clearly shows that the 3080 outperforms the 4070 at 4K resolution in like 90% of all games.
(Want more benchmarks? Here’s another one)
Not by a big margin but still about 10%, while with MSFS at 4K the performance difference (in favor of the 3080) is even more substantial.
I said 50% but didn’t actually do the math.
Turns out that 50% was a bit exaggerated, but after some calculations it’s still 41% more fps with the 1% lows (arguably the most important), and 29% more fps on average.

And it’s just common sense really, what else would you expect for gaming at 4K when the 3080 has more than 50% more memory bandwith compared to the 4070?
( 3080: 760.32 GB/s and 4070 only 504.2 GB/s )

If you can provide any trustworthy source/data/benchmarks etc. that proves me wrong on both points (3080 vs 4070 performance difference while gaming at 4K in general, and specifically with MSFS 4K) then be my guest.

For me with all of that said, the 4070 is a bad deal in my book.
€ 700,- for a GPU which gets outperformed by a 3080 that’s a couple of years older and can be bought second hand for about € 470,- at the moment here in the Netherlands.
And besides that, who is gonna pay € 700,- for a new GPU in 2023 that only has 12GB VRAM.
It’s not gonna be me.

You also said that i blow off other technical aspects because i don’t care, but that those are actually important technical comparison elements that need to be considered.
You’re talking about frame generation and power efficiency i guess?
Like i said earlier, frame generation doesn’t matter to me. It’s known/proven to cause artifacts, especially when playing at lower fps like with MSFS.
And energy efficiency doesn’t matter too, for me that is.
When i buy a GPU, i buy it because of how it performs.
Sure it’s a bonus when it doesn’t need much energy, but it’s not a deal breaker.