What would the sentiment be on this upgrade? I would hope that I’d be able to run higher graphics settings at the same frame rate. It is also my understanding that an fps gain requires a better processor(is that correct?), but I’m happy with my frame rate right now.
I’m able to run the sim at 70 TAA and 70 OXR with motion smoothing/30FPS in VR with a mix of medium and high settings. (In 2D, I am able to run at 2K with high settings and frame rates around 50fps.) I would like to think that maybe a GPU upgrade would enable getting up to 100 TAA and 100 OXR in VR.
System Specs:
i7-4790k @4.7gHz
16GB DDR3 @2133mHz
GTX 1080ti FTW3
Crucial P2 1TB
You’d likely see better performance increase all around (MSFS and anything else) by upgrading your CPU, motherboard and RAM and actually use that 1080Ti to its full potential. You’re already a bit mismatched as it is with a GPU that outclasses the rest of your system. You’d only be widening that gap and leaving more GPU performance on the table with a 3080.
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I have a both a 3950x / 2080ti system and a 4790k / 1080ti system and they are only about 4 fps apart at 1920x1200. And thats like 50fps to 46fps (8%). The benefit of going to a 3800 would be if you want to do 4K, otherwise it might not be worth it IMHO. The difference between 1080ti, 2080ti and 3800 at 1920 res is not massive as far as I know.
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I second Crunchmeisters opinion.
While the CPU technically runs at 4.7 GHz, the IPC on newer CPUs is much higher at the same frequency. So to increase performance in all but the most demanding 4K UHD scenarios, you should invest in a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM.
That should actually be doable for the price of one RTX 3080.
I would suggest an AMD Ryzen 3000 or 5000 series with at least 32GB DDR4 3200 RAM, with a PCI-E 4.0 slot for future upgrades.
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Don’t forget that old system is running DDR3 memory as well at a MUCH slower speed than modern high speed DDR4. That in itself can make a huge difference.
I have 1080 ti too paired with i7 9700k @5.0ghz with 32ramm and 80% time iam GPU limited . GPU s prices are crazy right now. Go for new CPU /mb/ramm and you will see the benefits.
The 1080Ti is still a very capable GPU. By updating the rest of the system first, you’ll have a great platform for future upgrading when GPU availability is higher and prices aren’t so ridiculous.
In the short term, you’ll see more benefit from that all around.
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That’s what I was thinking, because I’m still able to make this Sim run really well at 1440 p and have it look fantastic, I’m just trying to run it with the HP Reverb G1, which is a very high pixel count.
I think that gives some evidence to the idea that a highly clocked 4790k isnt really mismatched with a 1080 TI
I have the same cpu, running at 4.6Ghz and an RTX3070.
Regardless of cpu/gpu, if you put settings/res too high, you’ll be GPU limited. If you lower graphics settings, you’ll become CPU-limited.
For me it is all about finding the sweet spot whefe you have your GPU at 90% and CPU will be at about 50-60%.
This is where I get the best experience. At 1440p and most settings at ultra and high, I get 60fps.
Obviously with the stutterfest after the last update.
I find it hard to discount older hardware. I built an old computer for my dad that is an old Xeon X5650 @ 4.2 with a GTX 970 and 16gb of ram, it runs surprisingly good on the ultra preset. Just the other night I was testing it after putting a 1060 in it and it seemed to run better than my 3900x with a 1080 and 32gb of ram, go figure. Still had the stutters, but they weren’t as often as mine. Also the upgrade from the 970 to 1060 wasn’t that big of a difference really. Keep in mind this was all tested flying in my local area which isn’t that big of a city (~40-50k population) so I am sure big cities would tell a different story.
That being said upgrading everything else is certainly the better idea since you can’t even get a video card nowadays anyway, and you certainly don’t want to buy one from a scalper.
I would love to get a 5900x, so I’ll definitely continue to consider your suggestion. I think maybe I came to the conclusion that I’ll try and upgrade the GPU first? Instead of the cpu, motherboard, and RAM
Don’t do that.
Chances are that you are still running a motherboard with a PCI-E 3.0 slot. You won’t get the maximum performance out of your 3080 that way.
I believe testing has shown the difference between PCI generations to be negligible on performance
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My old system was a 4700k with a 1070. The difference between than and my current 2700X and 2080 is night and day, particularly due to the RAM that runs at double the speed on a higher bandwidth bus and NVMe drives. And that’s not even gaming, That’s just EVERYTHING. Load times are drastically shorter. And of course, every game I run is significantly faster.
Personally, I’d opt for the huge overall performance boost from the combination of DDR4 at 3600+ MHz and M.2 slots rather than a minimal performance increase in graphics. Like I said, you’re already not using your existing GPU to its full potential with your existing hardware. It seems wasteful to me. You’ll be paying through the teeth for next to no performance increase, whereas the other option will likely net you significant performance gains with everything you do.
But it’s up to you, really. It’s your money. You can spend it however you choose.
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PCIe is irrelevant on current graphics cards. The only consumer-facing advantage of PCIe Gen 4 is NVMe drives that are significantly faster than Gen 3.
Irrelevant is not the word I would use.
While there are only single-digit percentage improvements on the graphics side, there are scenarios where the system overall benefits from more memory bandwidth, as is the case with NVMe for example.
It’s also future-proof, hence I worded my earlier post to account for that. Double the bandwidth is not insignificant.
If money is no factor, go ahead on the GPU first. But I don’t see the benefit at this point. Everything in your current system has the potential to bottleneck the sim and the GPU.
I guess what I meant to say is that of all the reasons to not put a 3080 in that ancient system, the loss of performance due to PCIe Gen 3 is the lease relevant, as he wouldn’t be able to push that GPU anywhere near the territory where that would make a difference anyway.
EDIT: That’s kind of like spending $500k to put a 500HP turboprop in a Cessna 172 (ok, I know it’s physically impossible lol). You’d tear the wings off the plane before you could even use a small percentage of what the engine is capable of.
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But the main issue is world shortage of GPU…unless you are willing to pay well over the odds for a 3080, which is fine if money is not a problem, and in six months time it will be ever decreasing circles…new one will be out
VR is not my area of expertise.
I was just thinking that since VR is especially demanding on the GPU, there might be an advantage and he might even be able to up the settings a bit from what he has now.
Seeing how much of an absolute memory hog the sim is (it easily fills up my 32GB on most flights), there might be some improvement since the increased bandwith of PCI-E 4.0 helps in scenarios where free RAM is scarce.
EDIT:
Of course I refer to the scenario where he has everything upgraded.
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Agreed in every case. But it seems our friend has already made up his mind. I just hope he’s not too disappointed with the <5 fps difference he’ll be paying $1000+ for.
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