I’m not sure what you mean, but the 7950x3d performs better on MSFS (higher clocks, more cache), also it has double the number of the cores.
But if you meant it’s still fine, yeah, pretty much. I’d say it’s, for now, on the third place relating on MSFS performance (7900x3d and 7950x3d will perform better). So I’m sure you can wait a bit to move. Wait the prices to fall or just wait the second AM5 generation altogether.
I guess one of their big advantages right now is consumption, which translates to better temperatures. I remember my old 5950x used to run at 70-80C when running MSFS (sometimes it would reach above 90C), and I was using a custom loop of 240mm + 360mm to cool it.
Power consumption of Raptor Lake and Zen 4 during gaming is roughly the same, so this shouldn’t really matter.
Power consumption during a 100% load is a completely different story, though.
Are you sure? I’ve seen lots of tests showing both CPU’s consumptions and the 13900k draws way more power (almost 2x) according to those tests:
No you’re right. I was incorrectly referencing the 7950X vs 13900K, where it’s roughly the same. The lower TDP and voltage caps for the X3D version pushes that power consumption even lower.
Well, the new sticks arrived. I did set bios to defaults first with the old ram. Put new in, sure seated correct (heard a click but the bottom was not pushed in one one of them so I pushed them both in fully top and bottom - before powering on of course) and on first boot they light up but then after a while I get 1 long beep and 2 short beeps. Orange light on mobo. Left it for a while but nothing happens. Black monitor. Any ideas?!
Took them out and swapped the slots I mean still A2 and B2 but swapped the sticks and made sure they clipped in right again. Same thing happens. 1 long beep 2 short after about 45 seconds.
Noticed that after this the phasing on the RGB lights is out of synch where before that they are moving as rainbow together.
EDIT: tried removing stick in B2 and still takes 45 seconds or so but this time it passed and I get to windows.
That’s not normal. I would request an RMA for the motherboard. It seems to be the culprit.
Hmmm… not good. The machine was built for me so I would have to send the whole thing back I think.
Would it be worth trying 2 sticks in the A1 and B1 slots? I know it’s not recommended but what is the problem with those slots? Slower?
If I did have to send the whole thing for them to refit a new MOBO, does that mean Windows and everything will also need to be reinstalled?! This is beginning to be a bit of a nightmare. I just want it to work 
I downloaded the manual for your mobo and the beep code just says it means memory not detected. No big help there…
Did you then try moving the single working stick from A2 to B2 and see if it still boots? What about if you swap the original B2 stick into A2 by itself? Basically the idea is to try isolating if it’s the RAM or the mobo this time as well. I would also put a sticker on one of the sticks so you can keep track of which is which when swapping things around a lot.
It wouldn’t hurt to try the A/B1 slots either. Also get a flashlight and shine it into the slots to make sure there is no hair, dust, etc. That could interfere with the contacts. Lightly swabbing the slots and the stick contacts with rubbing alcohol to clean them may also help.
Edit: I also done checked the Asus QVL list and your RAM should be supported. I would try contacting their support as well.
Just tried the one that works alone in A2 put into B2 alone and as soon as power on I get that long beep and 2 short.
Tried the other stick that I took out in B2 alone and the same. Instant beeps.
Tried both sticks together in A1 and B1 and ALSO the same instant beeps.
Then tried the original B2 (which actually was in A2 when I first put both in at the very start of all this — because I swapped them after first failure earlier 
) back alone in A2 and that doesn’t instant beep, takes much longer than the minute or so when it was booting before now and I have left it for ages now but no beeps or anything, just stuck.
Shall I try the one that WAS just working alone in A2 a moment ago again, or what now?! I’m lost 
They do light up RGB though in each case. I can’t see any dirt or anything.
EDIT: I did just put the single one back in A2 and it boots OK. So I’m non the wiser. Looks like stick AND slot problem?!
It might work, but it would raise even more my suspicions that you have a defective motherboard. Your last post indicates that also.
I mean, if you want to avoid more headaches, just send them back and ask them to replace it.
My guesses: 1 - defective slots or 2 - or bent socket pins
But I would definitely send it back to them and avoid more headaches.
Yeah you may be right - I paid enough, I want it to all be working as intended.
Odd how ONE of the new sticks does not work in A2 alone, when the other does though?
I have a vacation coming up so maybe they can sort it whilst I am away (and I can’t fly anyway!) and get it delivered back to me the day after I get back home or something… minimal withdrawal symptoms from not being able to fly! But need to be sure it is the mobo I guess… this isn’t going to be easy to persuade them especially now that I have put my own purchased ram into it, they will blame me!?
Will changing motherboard still allow all the applications I installed to read from the C and D disks or is that going to need setting up from scratch again (as hardware identifiers will have changed, it could mess things up big time?). That is the painful bit - I’ve spent DAYS getting everything just how I like it!
On the ram sticks or the board?
I’m starting to think mobo too, but I would still contact Asus first before sending back and all the hassle that entails. They may have extra troubleshooting steps you can try, or maybe even a beta bios they think could solve the problem. Wouldn’t hurt to try.
Yes everything should work right, but Windows can get fussy if you change too many components (especially a major one like the mobo) and want you to activate it again. If you have the installation key or it’s tied to your Microsoft account, then you should be able to re-activate it if needed. This link gives info on preparing for a hardware change and activation.
You should send it to them with their own ram. Because it is also problamatic with their RAM.
When the socket pins are bent, it can turn some slots non-functional. The socket pins I’ve said are on the motherboard. The motherboard socket is where the CPU is installed.
Or it might just be a defective motherboard not related to the socket pins. Anyway, at this point, I would just contact the shop you bought it to request RMA. I wouldn’t bother to keep testing it, from my point of view you did all the tests possible.
Try this one more time. Insert the RAM sticks into the correct slots again but this time once you hear the clicks, put your thumb in the middle top of the stick and push real hard on them. When I say hard, I mean hard to the point where you can slightly see the motherboard bending. Just give it a good few hard press on them.
Many times this is the culprit and the sticks don’t properly sit even when they click in.
Thanks for the encouragement
But I was pressing pretty hard already - I could see the board flexing backward and I was holding behind the case to get more pressure. They would not go in any further.
I have nothing to lose though so I will try again before I go to sleep I suppose.
So both sticks in A2 and B2?
Correct. A2 and B2.
Well, I already have one in A2 (been flying this evening and it’s stable and fine with one). I did not go back into Bios to set Expo or anything, just on default at the moment. So I will just add the other stick to B2 and make sure it’s well in 
… wish me luck!
EDIT: nope, but this time it didn’t do the beeps instantly as soon as I turned on power. I almost thought it was going to work. But after a min I get the beeps. Made a video here:
EDIT AGAIN:
Just for sanity, I took the stick that was working OK in A2 out, and put the other one there alone. 3 mins and no beep or anything.
Then I powered down, drained power, gave it another push in (it didn’t move). Powered on again and this time after 1.5 mins it DID boot with that single stick. So strange.
What’s weird is I don’t think it’s the board as I was running 2 x 16gb sticks of the Fury ram in A and B 2 just fine. It’s a problem with seeing more than 32?