I know, I know… I got carried away. Of course you will politely ring the bell and ask to speak with Mr. Neumann, only to be sent away with a little toy airplane (the Juncker 52).
I think we are in agreement on this. Maybe I was not clear enough:
FS2020, FSX, FS98, FS95 are products.
Flight Simulator is a brand.
People trust(ed) that brand.
It is owned by a large firm called Microsoft.
I am editing my previous message to clear that up.
PS: fwiw I am running Win11 Dev Beta on my main PC and it is far more stable than MSFS2020 SU5.
Win11 is not even released to the public. Go figure.
I’ve come across several people who clearly know their stuff who are just stuck with really nowhere to go. If you soak the hardware and reinstall from bare metal there isn’t much else to do.
I think being a defender here is unwise. I think things are changed for the xbox version. I think it is possible that PC users will not get the product they might have without the xbox limitations. Hardware will get more powerful and PC users of flightnsims have always enjoyed constantly upgraded software to take advantage of that. I do not have a problem with xbox getting MSFS, but it does bum me out that the transition broke the sim so badly for many people. And then there are the “voices” of the forum saying things like you did. plain and simply, the sim broke for many, and the link to the xbox rollout is a valid suspicion in all likelihood. Please folks, if you love Asobo and microsoft that is great, but there are real issues and people will complain and speculate. It is definitely time for a developer statement. The “defenders” are not really helping.
If they wanted to be honest they would say the following:
“We have heard a few of you pilots have had a bit of turbulence and we are looking into reports received. But because we focused on the MS XBox integration we’ve gone ahead and placed the tens of thousands of you PC simmers in a HOLD PATTERN until we can figure out why we didn’t test this release more thoroughly. Until then, please take a look at purchasing our new XBox for a very unique MSFS sim experience or a look at the Known Issues web page. Happy Flying.”
To be fair, Asobo has engaged with he community more than any other Dev that I have seen. The livestreams etc shows their commitment to the user base / sim.
We have been here before with issues after an update and Asobo has always addressed them, even starting the beta program for updates.
With that said, there are many reported issues with this build, and some features (culling) that are not well received. I imagine that Asobo is trying to determine the cause / what to do etc before responding. So lets give them some time to digest the info, decide on next steps, and then respond (as they have always done).
i think what happened here is they focussed to much on the xbox version, they want to get
that running asap.
i bet there will be pc improvements like xtra sliders coming in due time.
but overala, i do like this update, seems to me that the peeps with lower hardware are more happy than the ones with heavy machines.
Please find below a list of other known issues and solutions (when available)
MARKETPLACE/PREORDER
Some Xbox Series X|S users who preordered the Premium Deluxe edition received the Premium Upgrade.
We are currently investigating this issue.
INSTALLATION
Leaving the title while downloading content for 10+ minutes causes the download to restart in Content Manager.
Workaround:
Restart downloads if title is suspended during content download
MENU
Unable to navigate through some of the menus due to freezing or the cursor jumps around and does not interact with menu elements.
Workaround:
Stop or pause any downloading content, restarting the game, connecting a USB mouse, and even opening the Xbox Guide and closing it again
When uninstalling content in the Content Manager, after clicking “Delete” and “Yes” there is no indication of what happens next and the sim seems to freeze.
Workaround:
Wait for your content to uninstall and then the menu will be clickable again. There is no visual to indicate it is uninstalling at this time.
CTDs
Downloading ~25 GB of content and entering a flight durations of 2+ hours may cause a crash or service disconnection issue
Workaround:
On Xbox: press the Xbox (jewel) button on the console face once, which places the console into connected standby mode. Then, press it again to wake it back up.
Sim may crash after connecting / disconnecting peripheral
No known workaround at this time
Sim may crash when flying with AI traffic
Workaround:
Set AI Traffic settings off by going to General > Traffic > Aircraft Traffic Type > OFF
Sim crashes when returning to default profile for Mouse from a custom one
Workaround:
Users who are unable to manipulate the aircraft instrument panels due to using a custom profile for the Mouse and are unable to switch to the default profile for this bug can work around this by switching to the Legacy interaction model.
MULTIPLAYER/ONLINE SERVICES
Xbox Live Friends will not appear on in-game leaderboards unless a friend request has also been sent and accepted within the sim
Workaround:
If users do not see leaderboards propagating as expected, ensure that friends are added within the sim
Marketplace is greyed out
Workaround:
You have have run into an authentication issue and have been switched to offline unintentionally. You can manually change it by going to Options > General > Data > Online Functionality to ON
At the end of an activity, the result screen endlessly loads with nothing to interact with.
Workaround:
Close out and restart.
PERIPHERALS/CONTROLS
Syncing customized controller mappings from a PC build to console may cause the controller to become unresponsive other than the B button.
Workaround:
Select the Default controller profile in your PC settings and sync the updated settings to the Console. Go to Manage Game > Saved Date > Delete Your Profile
Use an external mouse attached directly to the console to update to the Default controller profile and then customize as needed.
User can get stuck in the Freelook view and be unable to bring the cursor back up
Workarounds:
Restart the flight, this will set the Cockpit Camera Type back to Fixed Look.
Use a mouse and press the scroll wheel in, this will change Camera Type back to Fixed Look.
Go to Options > General > Camera > Cockpit Camera > Toggle Home cockpit mode “OFF” .
Xbox players using the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS One: Mappings on the Controls screen does not match the labeling of the buttons and axes on the peripheral.
Workaround:
Though what you see on the screen is incorrect, if you make an assignment through scanning it will be accurate. Do not use the drop-down to create your mapping.
SCENERY
Textures in Free Flight do not properly render nearing both the North and South Poles
Workaround: Select another location for Free Flight
Groups in Free-Flight causes TIN Data to fail to continually load in during Multiplayer
Workaround:
Leave the group
Re-enter gameplay with open MP Settings
AIRCRAFT/AVIONICS
Plane altitude is different than expected
No known workaround
COM radio unexpectedly goes off frequency shortly after departure on IFR flight plan
Workaround:
To recover, the user can tune back to the previous frequency.
Pilot informs ATC they are descending to their assigned altitude even though they’re still below it
No known workaround
Fuel information not saving in flight (FLT) files so user starts off with no fuel
Workaround:
Refuel after flight loads
FLIGHT PLANNING
User will not be able to launch a saved flight plan using a deleted aircraft. The FLY button in the loading screen will be disabled with no messaging.
Workaround:
Re-install missing aircraft used in saved flight plan
Create new flight plan with valid aircraft installed
User may see incorrect duplicate waypoints in their flight plan
Workaround:
Click on the destination and press “insert before” to enter your waypoints in the correct order
On VFR flight plan aircraft automatically under Flight Following without having request it
Workarounds: Depending on whether the flight departed a controlled or uncontrolled airport the steps to cancel Flight Following will differ:
Uncontrolled Airport
After taking off and when the option becomes available, tune to Departure and cancel Flight Following.
Controlled Airport
Take-off and exit the airport’s airspace.
Tune to the tower of a nearby controlled airport (may be the one that you just took off from).
Request permission to land.
After given your landing clearance cancel your landing intentions.
ive been saying this all day, it doesnt matter if they aint got the answers right now, what matters is communication with your customers, not to open the door…rip cash out your hand then slam door back in your face !
The Xbox version just released the other day along with Update 5. Yes, there are many users who have issues, but the majority do not. I can guarantee they are not favoring one over the other, but more than likely working their tails off to fix the issues on both platforms that you and many others are having. That’s how software works, release, fix, release, fix. Your PC is one of probably 1000 different configurations. Its very complex and not as simple as saying they are favoring the Xbox.