[ANNOUNCEMENT] FlightSim Studio Embraer 175

You have the CRJ which is at least decent and the BAe 146 which is very good (at least from what I hear, I don’t own it).

At the end it’s all about preference. For someone who’s into operating the aircraft in the Sim like the real one, this E175 is probably nothing (yet?).
For people casually flying around it might be alright.

Personally I wouldn’t buy it yet. The aircraft is in a very bad state, and at the moment seems to be sooo far off from the real one. I wouldn’t dare to take it on vatsim. Lets see if they can really fulfill all their promises to improve the aircraft later. After all it’s a new developer and we don’t know yet what they are able to deliver.

1 Like

I am happy to get early access to this plane. I love the E-series. If you expect a nearly finished study-airliner (many in the chat and here seem to expect that), then it is not your product to buy, yet.
It is far from a release candidate or finished product. That’s why it is early access. No one has to buy it.
They said this many times in the stream, yesterday.

The flight model seems to be pretty accurate and finished. Isn’t that more important than a little feature like VNAV? :stuck_out_tongue:

I think many of you don’t know what “early access” means. Look at steam how long games are available through early access (1year+).
The roadmap https://www.flightsim-studio.com/ejets-roadmap/ and the feature list (bottom of https://www.flightsim-studio.com/projects/e-jets-series/ ) of the early access version is good.
Every 2 weeks an update with a new feature is a great promise.

EDIT: VNAV isn’t used by real e-series pilots either. So, if we talk about realism…
EDIT#2: I have to remember at the C414 Flysimware BETA-phase: So many people were complaining about the unfinished product :stuck_out_tongue: but it was marked and stated as “BETA”. But people were still complaining.
Now it is one of the best GA.

EDIT#3: Definition of early access:
" Early access , also known as alpha access , alpha founding , paid alpha , or game preview , is a funding model in the video game industry by which consumers can purchase and play a game in the various pre-release development cycles such as pre-alpha, alpha, and/or beta"

4 Likes

Can’t tell if you’re joking about VNAV or not

3 Likes

Ant news for Xbox?

lol is vnav a little feature? It’s the backbone of a modern airliner’s automation.

6 Likes

Come on let’s be honest, when aerosoft was announced as a partner what did anyone expect?

4 Likes

Yeah, no VNAV would be a no-buy for me. If it improves over time I’ll keep my options open. For me as a cockpit-builder I would need (at minimum) all the glass as pop-outs and Air Manager panels and bezels etc so I could be waiting for a loooong time. Shame, the E-Jets are my favourite airliners to fly other than the AvroJet.

There’s an (eventually) open-source project to build the E-Jets (and Phenom) at Ouroboros Jets that looks like it may be a better bet. No idea on a release date, though, it’s very much a ‘it’ll be done when it’s done’ kind of project. I joined their Discord and they are posting a decent amount of info there if you want to follow the project.

I’ll be picking it up early because it’s still an awesome aircraft

1 Like

I don’t care if it’s a feature that in your opinion few real life pilots use, or if you won’t use it. If it’s a feature that the real aircraft has, then I expect it gets implemented.

Also, I don’t know where people get that real life pilots don’t use VNAV on a daily basis. It seems that this has become a classic excuse for unfinished addons and far from justifying the absence of this feature.

I saw on the stream that they have a website with a roadmap. So I went there to check. Link: https://www.flightsim-studio.com/ejets-roadmap/

I found that it’s not a roadmap. Roadmap is a clear forecast of when which feature will be released. What they have instead is a wishlist, where people can vote on which feature they want implemented. Despite this voting system, there is no guarantee that FSS will prioritize the most voted.

In addition, the number and the features on this wishlist is scary. Keep in mind that these are all missing features, with zero guarantees that they will ever be implemented.

VNAV, SPD/ALT Constraints, MFD Vertical Profile, The ability to HOLD, TCAS, FMS/AP Airspeed Mode, EGPWS, Overspeed Protections, Bank Protections, Dual AP input, Landing Field Elevation Pressure, Pitch Limit indicators on PFD, EICAS indicator for Anti Ice. EICAS Trim out of green warning, PFD flight path reference, Landing Gear not down aural warning and more. None of this has been implemented in the version that will be released on the 10th and nobody knows when, if ever, it will be implemented. Therefore, the problems of this aircraft go far beyond just the absence of VNAV.

6 Likes

It just comes down to whether you trust them to implement all these things or not. If you do, get it now at a reduced price. If not, wait and see what the finished product looks like. That’s why it’s in early access.

Me personally, I will wait. I rather pay a little more knowing it’s good than spending $30 on something I’d never fly because it’s buggy or lacks depth. I bought the CRJ early on and while not terrible I never fly it anymore because those bugs are still annoying.

It seems that some of you don’t want to understand what an early access product defines.
It is alpha or nearly beta status. So, it is clear why VNAV is not implemented (a complicated feature to implement and not necessary in the first step).

Yes, there is a risk of failure, but all early-access products have this risk.

I still don’t understand the negative excitement about the status of this plane/project. It was clearly communicated: Just early access and a long time to go to finish the product.
As I said already: It is exact the same as with the 414AW Cessna Beta phase ^^ (people are complaining and de-hyped)

1 Like

Everyone knows what early access means. The concern is these are important features that may NEVER be implemented.

The 414 released in early access with most features in place and the promise to continue working on them. Also the hype for the 414 was generated after several versions were released and those promised work-in-progress features started to be improved.

We in the flightsim community should always err on the side of caution - It’s been the same old story for decades now and lessons have been learned.

This may be amazing - the list of things still to be worked on (which may never be) is equally un-amazing.

4 Likes

I completely understand the concept of early access. The criticisms I make are related to this concept itself.

‘Don’t like it, don’t buy it’. I do my part, but the problem is that many will buy it, and not because they really like it. Usually due to mere lack of attention of not seeking to know more about the product or too high expectations and the main problem is that refunds will not be accepted.

I see early access as devs’ desperation for quick cash. Same thing TFDi did with the MD-11 pre-order. What they did screamed ‘We ran out of money’. The main problem is abusing people’s trust that one day it will get better, where there are zero guarantees of this. And if they don’t improve, it doesn’t matter to the devs, because they already have the money and won’t have to refund.

In the MD-11 thread, I warned people about encouraging pre-sales/early access. Soon or later, a criminal will appear promising a study-level aircraft, release edited screenshots to convince of the quality, open a pre-sale or release an ‘early access’ saying the full version will come later. Then he disappears with money from the suckers who bought the addon. It’s only a matter of time before it appears.

5 Likes

Ok, now I got you :wink:

But this risk and problem is persistent with “every” unfinished but released (for public) software product.
Best example:
Star Citizen :stuck_out_tongue:

Flightsim Studio AG is a swiss company with real people working there. So, it should be more or less safe and trustworthy.
This is my approach.
But I understand your caution.

I will buy it and can inform you if the development process is good as promised or not.

No…sorry but no. Many features were missing or incomplete/not realistic coded and just promised (efb, 4k textures, wwise sound, avionics 3rd party, correct flight model, correct limitations, fuel system, electric system…). I bought it on day 1 of beta. I even couldn’t fly it for some weeks, because it was so buggy :stuck_out_tongue: But I wasn’t upset. It was my risk :wink:

3 Likes

Look at the B247. Already happened there leaving a buggy plane for those who bought it.

1 Like

Eeeeh AEROSOFT involved ….

After CRJ experience (lnav bug for example ) i will never buy another product where they are involved. Now this E175 hyping for a plane not even worth the title “early Acces” proves the point. No vnav and not even speed / alt constraints …. Come on

I’m sure mr Kok finds 1000 excuses though

4 Likes

No need for that. Aerosoft is just the publisher, not the dev.

2 Likes

This is something that’s confusing me. On their website they call Aerosoft their ‘client’. On 737NG Driver’s overview posted recently Aerosoft was very clearly keeping them at arms length. Is this another oversold claim by the developer?

@MortThe2nd

Sure it is … they know what they PUBLISH right .

1 Like

lol, enjoy your crusade :slight_smile:

1 Like