Are Asobo even here?

Yeah its a community strategy i’ve seen from a few other developers, can’t say i agree with it. For sure it will have no actual effect on the simulation at the end of it. and only a mild impact on the actual sims popularity. so at the end of the day my thoughts and opinions on it don’t even matter.

I’m very aware of that. But the outcome of that is eventually these forums will either die or turn into a wasteland with just the occasional “look at this pretty scenery” message.

But yeah at the end of it. it dosn’t matter I just don’t agree with this form of community management is all :slight_smile:

Oh I didnt see that known issues post. My bad looks like they forgot to pin it.

Well thats something :wink:

With regard to current issues, it would have been nice to have a statement on what exactly they did for FPS gains so a significant portion of this forum isn’t running experiments with settings and comparing screen shots of launch and patch 1 versions.

A simple in depth explanation is all they need to drop. Something like “we decided that we had our settings configured too high on the quality side. Your high is now what medium was and ultra is high. We are still working on getting the same level of ultra you had before but this will help min spec machines run the game”

After that they don’t really need to respond either. But it gives us more than that known issues or dev update.

Also, if you look at other games like League or Nba 2k, they have community managers that will say they’ve talked to a dev and give timelines on updates in a few hrs. Or they’ll say the change is intended. Or they actually forgot to put some notes in the patch notes.

With this format, there’s way too much vagueness and that’s kind of leaves people headless and running and screaming in different directions. No crowd control at all. Like if planes didn’t have an emergency exit plan that they tell us every time we board an airliner.

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Yes, I would love to have more in-depth patch notes and known issue lists! :heart_eyes: But I don’t see a necessity for it.

I think them losing this forum to people from both sides clashing is the consequence. Not my preferred cup of community management and engagement.

There may well be a healthy debate about what these forums are and what these forums should be.

There is clarity in what these forums are in both the forum welcome post and the Code of Conduct, which opens with a comment as to the aims of the forum.

In brief this is primarily a community forum for MSFS simmers (to discuss the sim and give feedback) and a place for fellow simmers to help post bugs and workarounds for the benefit of fellow simmers. This is not a venue for officially reporting bugs (even though MS may gather information from the posts on the forum) nor is it a place for meeting or discussing issues with the developers. However feedback through the official channel of Zendesk is always welcome.

What we make of this community is up to us together, constrained by the guidelines set out in the Code of Conduct.

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So What we can expect in short is community stuff / events etc etc.

Posting of bugs. And work arounds (if any) provided by us.

But besides a known issues list no real comments from devs about current issues until the next big updates. and no active engagement from their side.

Good to know. Again i dont really agree with this i think having active devs and getting involved in discussions on hot topics is really good for a healthy and active community.

But hey. atleast you guys are lurking thats something :slight_smile:

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Right above your post is a tab called “Known Issues” which is constantly updated.

There is the Zendesk tab for convenient reporting there also.

There is a bug thread that can receive upvotes by the community, thereby focusing Asobo’s efforts.

There is the Wishlist thread that can receive upvotes from the community.

There are weekly developer notes released here.

The roadmap is updated and released within the dev dairy.

I can understand having some frustration and rightly so as there are items that should have been cleared before the sim took off, but lately this forum is starting to remind me of the scene where the locals scurry out of town with torches and pitchforks in hand.

Just take a deep breath…breath…there ya go! Everything’s gonna be fine.

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Important note: Forum Moderators are members of the community not part of the development team or MS employees.

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Oh. interesting :slight_smile: Anyways I’ve said my thoughts and will go back to lurking. enjoy your weekends everyone :slight_smile:

Airplanes don’t falling down by itself like in this simulator.
To crash an airplane needs 99% of human factor.
All stucks, sometimes altitude, or rate of climb, auto ias doesnot work, flight navigation dont work…
Sometimes make turns impossible to recover.
The new patch was a terrible patch.
ASOBO needs to think first in a playable game before upgrading airports and cities.
I have to throw away my 26000 hours of flight, in 35 years with none accidente or inccidents.
My last flight was from Narita to Rio de Janeiro, in may 31 of 2000 in B-747-300.
I bought all the MSFS launched this is the worst ever.

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No it isn’t. RDR2 was the worst launch ever. This doesn’t even come close.

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Worst launch ever = RTX 3080 :joy:

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If you ask about flying sim activity,

XP11 get BIG Victory and 3-rd party deveopers gold times! I bought it also at end of 2018 as frustration of MS version not continuity. Now Xp11 is uninstalled and also due this problems don’t have taste to return, especially due bugs that new versions after 11.36r2 Laminar prepared…

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This I see as very big (somewhere sitting unvissible) BUG. Activation of this is somehow very strange, also me never happened.

Devs should not be on this forum. It’s too dangerous.

This place is a combination of a peaceful demonstrators and armed terrorists.

It can get brutal in here and a dev could read some wisecrack and it ruins their whole day.

The folks who are responsible for this forum (and the volunteers) provide summary feedback. It is fairly obvious what the major issues are. Dev decides how to prioritize. They don’t need to read a bunch of redundant hyperbole-filled posts to figure out how to do that.

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I would imagine that as a company policy ordinary Asobo/Blackshark employees are not permitted to participate in forums such as these. Things can go south very quickly if employees start pitching-in to topics on a public forum such as this. You know how easily things can turn very unpleasant here (as in any public forum). Management might have permission to post here, but the fact they haven’t probably suggests common sense is in good supply on the developers part. I would do exactly the same.

This is the heart of the problem.

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I disagree. Knowledgeable insiders posting to some of these topics (specifically the issue-based topics) would go a long way to defusing some of the unhappiness that has built up.

Imagine the effect of the person who is in charge of the “live weather” replying to one of the “live weather” threads and explaining how the system is supposed to work, where it is now from their standpoint, and what they are working on.

Whether it comes from individual employees posting about specific topics, or is funneled down through a centralized account such as on the news and announcements sub-forum, that is exactly the kind of engagement that Asobo needs to do.

I don’t think that they would be attacked, and I think that it would be highly appreciated.

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I agree that the devs shouldn’t be commenting on the individual forum posts. But they released a patch several days ago that broke a lot of things. I love this sim, but switches keep turning themselves on and off, in the new M20R, when the avionics go, you can’t turn them back on without uninstalling and reinstalling the plane, etc.

Would a simple message on the home page be too much to ask for: "We’re aware of the new bugs we created and released, and we’ve got a team working on them as a top priority. We hope to have a patch within the next couple of days (or weeks, or months, or however long.) "

The known issues page is a joke, tell me where the avionics turning off is on there and how long we can expect for a fix to be applied.

None of this is the devs fault, it’s a brilliant piece of software, but whoever is in charge of public relations / communications strategy is dropping the ball, in my opinion.

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