I have a feeling I do a fair number of workarounds automatically at this point. For example that helicopter I mentioned. I automatically leaned forward, that fixed the problem, so I forgot about it and felt SU3 was pretty trouble free until people pointed it out 
If you are in a small cockpit the problems will be small. The larger the flightdeck the larger the problem is.
Mathijs
Without the workaround debug LOD you cannot fly the PMDG 777 as nothing in the cockpit works in VR. With the LOD workaround you can fly but you take a hit on fps.
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Before the resent update, a few weeks ago I was actually happy to see that in VR I was able to enjoy the experience flying really low in order to test 2024 and I had no stutters in Tokyo . Now with the same high settings I get stutters and I cannot enjoy it anymore. Very disappointing
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Hi, I just want to introduce myself, I am a long time MSFS user and passionate VR flyer. I have spent years enjoying the simulator, and in the last few years in VR. After careful observation, and a lot of time spent trying to understand what is really going on under the surface, since both MSFS 2020 and 2024 are now showing sudden VR stutters at low altitudes, something I never experienced before, I believe thereās only one clear solution: separate the update paths. Asobo should let MSFS 2020 users opt out of core updates if theyāre happy with their setup. Donāt risk breaking a stable sim just because 2024 needs to evolve. 2024 lives on their servers , 2020 lives on our systems. Let us keep it safe. MSFS 2024 is not a new game built from the ground up. I believe it is built on the same framework as MSFS 2020, and any updates to MSFS2024 applies changes to MSFS 2020 too. And for 2024, Asobo should triple-check every update before pushing it live. I look forward to enjoying both games without these kinds of update surprises. And thank you all for letting me share my thoughts. Cheers.
Welcome to you - in terms of VR: MSFS2024 is now light years ahead of 2020 the biggest impact being the implementation of quad views FFR, it just does not compare in terms of performance and stability since SU3 - not sure why you would want to continue flying in 2020. Yes there are still many issues to be fixed but stutters have become quite a rare phenomena on my system lately. I also think the new download function helps for aircraft and 3rd party airports not having to be streamed.
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V5ZRB, as you will have read on this forum, VR is just totally unusable in many aircraft at this moment. If you want to fly any of those, FS2020 is your only choice. It seems strange to totally ignore that in your post. What you intended to write was that in your use case, FS2024 is the better option.
Mathijs
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My specs are: Big Screen Beyond 1 (BSB2e on orderā¦), Watercooled XMG Laptop with i9 14900HX and a RTX4090M(obile). Quad Views foveated rendering active, DLSS in DLAA mode and Settings medium to high (some low, some ultra). I am happy constantly running at 37 FPS which is 50% of my HMD refresh rate.
I am getting great performance in VR.
Will not go back to FS2020 because it performs no where near 2024 - I am getting stable 37 FPS without stutters instead of barely 25 in 2020. The 777 and A350 will just stay parked in the hangar until they work again.
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So like I noted, it works for you. Not for me.
For our customers, VR is just unusable, and that is a huge deal.
Mathijs Kok
PMDG
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So when is an update coming for PMDG ?
Many developers are pushing out updates to their aircraft to make them 2024 Native.
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All our releases on FS2024 are fully done to the 2024 SDK. We have decided not to do quick updates for FS2020 products to make them work, but to redo all the parts that have changed on the new platform. That takes some time, certainly when we have to redo parts over and over again because the platform changes.
Mathijs Kok
PMDG
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I feel this issue deserves (another) apology from Jorg Neumann during the next Q&A, the issues with VR that have been released to the public after internal testing smack of not caring for the VR community at all, whatās worse is that this one was raised before release in the public beta, I for one feel let down - yet again - by MS/Asobo.
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I agree. SU3 has been a disaster for VR users. After 2 weeks still nothing from Asobo
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It seems thatās Su3 has been a mixed bag for us VR users. My BR is perfect, smooth and not issues. Perhaps itās the aircraft I fly, but even the 777F worked flawless for me just the other day
I feel that some of the issues could be older BIOS in intel systems, that was big headache until I updated it last month. Perhaps a minimum of 64G Ram is a requirement, this is what I am usingā¦. FFR Seems to work well enough, also DLSS4nwith pre-set K is also stable. I feel for those of you having issues, it took me ten months which I agree is WAAAAAAY to long to have issues fixed. Hopefully SU4 improves things.
The issue is not BIOS, please reread the thread. As one of the actual developers of third party aircraft has pointed out this is an actual bug introduced in SU3 and was only done so at the last minute of the beta. It is absolutely an issue for VR users everywhere.
Hard to believe youāre having no issues with the 77F given PMDG have been in here talking about it being an issue across the whole 777 fleet
I havenāt tried a single aircraft that didnāt work with VR that I recall - and thatās MANY of them.
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Then you must not be using many of the popular Airliners that have been listed e.g.
Inibuilds A350, PMDG 777 and many of the inbuilt Asobo aircraft.
Iāve used the built in Asobo ones and they seemed ok, but Iām no means an expert in airliners. Iām usually flying war planes with props tho I do have a few like the B-2 and F-22 from Top Mach and so on. I think I have around 200 aircraft and Iām pretty sure almost all of them are fine in VR relatively speaking. Thatās not to say some of those aircraft donāt have some other problems, itās just that VR isnāt one.
Some aircraft do suffer from the lod problem and hopefully theyāll fix that soon, but in my situation, most of them are easily fixed by moving the default camera position forward slightly.
Hi,
Go back to FS20. Learn SDK. Improve some small fields and grass strips around where you live. Utilise the Comms frequencies at these fields.
Study the Aeronautical Charts to see where you have to request āZone D Transitā.
Be a fun flyer.
( Groups of ex RAF pilots share a C152 and fly weekends only. Its so relaxing )
So maybe they are listening
LOD issue is fixed in SU4 beta
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